Ron Lyle vs vitali klitschko

[Die Antwoord]

I don't know how many times you have seen the Lewis fight, but I have seen it 3 times. Lewis was hurt, but not hurt enough that Vitali could have put him down by any means. Lewis just took the shots and kept punching like they were nothing...You might want to go watch that again. The only time either fighter was even close to being KOed was at the end of Round 6, and it was Vitali who was hurt, but he just kept fighting. Vitali cannot knock out Lewis, he doesn't have the power, and against a better prepared Lewis he would not have had the skills, but that is history.


Vitali doesn't look to hit fighters on the soft spots because be knows he doesn't have tremendous power, the guy is a smart boxer. Most boxers put in so much time learning to defend the chin that they can leave the forehead and eyes open to punishment, so Vitali goes for it. No reason hitting them on the jaw trying to knock them out when you can swell their eyes. Vitali is all hand speed and reflexes, not power.

The biggest issue here is that most ALL of the heavyweight contenders are stiffs. A fighter like Vitali or Wlad can just hit them at will without even having to worry about the opponents offense, they have no defense >.< The ones that aren't stiffs have no offense, etc etc...If I could ever think of a time that a fighter was born out of place, it is this one. The Klitschkos should at least be fighting in the 90s or 80s...not this joke of a era.

Youve only watched it 3 times? Ive watched it about 30 times and Lewis was definitely hurt and people who are paid to announce and commentate were screaming things like "One more right and Lewis is done." "the championship is right in front of Vitali all he has to do is take it", Lewis was seriously very hurt and the only reason the Vitali fight was lewis's last is because Lewis retired out of cowardice turning down 30 million to step into the ring with Vitali.

[XionComrade]

why on earth would somebody 6'7 need to throw an overhand right???
just like lyle was to strong for 6' 200 lb quarry.yea sure buddy.lyle was muscular but he wasnt physically strong at all

Ron Lyle was strong man strong. Something that today's heavyweight's cannot say. Ron Lyle could do 1000 freaking pushups in under a hour...Lets see any heavyweight today even touch the ankle of Ron Lyle's conditioning.

He would need a overhand right because Lyle will be holding his shoulders up past his chin(Traps were like a freaking gorillas!) He would have to wait for Lyle to lower his left hand late in the fight, then throw his own right juuuust over Lyle's shoulder, hence a overhand right. It would have to be a counter punch.

[XionComrade]

Hey did you see how many shots Shavers landed on a WAAAYYYY past his prime Ali and he couldnt put him down. Henry Cooper put a younger much more prime Ali down with one left and knocked Ali into ******treet where he was saved by the bell/ripped glove and smelling salt. Henry Cooper was 185 lbs and did this to Ali. Clearly Earnie Shavers has no 1 punch power.

Oh yay, someone posts without thinking again and I have to respond >.<

Ali was not yet over the hill against Shavers, Shavers was his last big hurrah, but yes he was past his prime. He couldn't put him down because Ali was constantly moving, constantly jabbing throughout the entire fight. Still yet, when Shavers would land Ali would be out on his feet and visibly hurt. Shavers would only load on one shot because hew as afraid he could not go the 15, which would end in him being TKOed and secure his end in that fight. Shavers constantly having to come forward against Ali was in a dangerous spot, as he very well could just walk into a big right hand.

Wow this post is just crazy. So Pre-Prime Ali gets caught with a right hand? Ali was green at this point, especially compared to the one that fought Shavers, Norton, and Frazier so late in his career. He made a foolish mistake, and paid for it, he made several before the Liston fight.

The fact that you would even compare Ali's chin to Wlad's, Vitali's, or near any other heavyweight in history is insanity. What next, you will say Vitali hits harder than Prime Foreman?

[XionComrade]

Youve only watched it 3 times? Ive watched it about 30 times and Lewis was definitely hurt and people who are paid to announce and commentate were screaming things like "One more right and Lewis is done." "the championship is right in front of Vitali all he has to do is take it", Lewis was seriously very hurt and the only reason the Vitali fight was lewis's last is because Lewis retired out of cowardice turning down 30 million to step into the ring with Vitali.

Lewis was big on retiring without a avenged defeat on his record. He was already sitting on likely 100s of millions, so he just didn't give a **** ass about another 30 million.

I suggest you watch that fight again, Lewis was not hurt. He was in more trouble against Michael Grant, Briggs, and many others, fights in which he dominated and shortly destroyed the opponents. He nearly retired Grant. Lewis was groggy and just walking through Vitali's shots, watch it again.

Take notice of all of the shots Lewis is nailing Vitali with during this exchange, it is almost even except that Lewis is wobbling a bit. You peoples are so biased in this fight is is ridiculous. It was a very even fight, Lewis was ahead by 1 round deffinently, and it not only was the worst display in Lewis' career, but he was in the WORST shape of his entire career. Can't imagine how bad Prime Lewis would have destroyed Vitali then...

[r.burgundy]

Ron Lyle was strong man strong. Something that today's heavyweight's cannot say. Ron Lyle could do 1000 freaking pushups in under a hour...Lets see any heavyweight today even touch the ankle of Ron Lyle's conditioning.

He would need a overhand right because Lyle will be holding his shoulders up past his chin(Traps were like a freaking gorillas!) He would have to wait for Lyle to lower his left hand late in the fight, then throw his own right juuuust over Lyle's shoulder, hence a overhand right. It would have to be a counter punch.

well,according to the boxing guru's on here,muscular isnt good in boxing.1000 push-ups in under 1 hour isnt anything superhuman

an overhand right is just how it sounds.a punch tha comes over the top,being as how vitali is 6'7 every punch he throws will be coming down.thus he couldnt possibly hit lyle with an overhand right.lyle would be much more likely to hit vitali with an overhand right.

but watch any video of lyle and he holds his hands low and is very easy to hit.he wasnt physically strong i dont think because in his fights that ive seen he hasnt imposed strength on anybody despite being larger.quarry dealt him just fine and quarry was much smaller.lyle didnt fight a physical fight

[XionComrade]

well,according to the boxing guru's on here,muscular isnt good in boxing.1000 push-ups in under 1 hour isnt anything superhuman

an overhand right is just how it sounds.a punch tha comes over the top,being as how vitali is 6'7 every punch he throws will be coming down.thus he couldnt possibly hit lyle with an overhand right.lyle would be much more likely to hit vitali with an overhand right.

but watch any video of lyle and he holds his hands low and is very easy to hit.he wasnt physically strong i dont think because in his fights that ive seen he hasnt imposed strength on anybody despite being larger.quarry dealt him just fine and quarry was much smaller.lyle didnt fight a physical fight

Lol Lyle had a massive frame and decent stamina, he could easily go 10 rounds without missing a beat. Vitali can through shots underneath, body shots, uppercuts, he can throw them all. Alot of his shots come underneath the opponents guard and arms hitting them square on the chin. He will need to throw them just on the other side of Lyle's arm, across the top of them to catch Lyle.

Lyle had awesome footwork for such a big man, a good jab, and used his offense as defense. So no, Lyle actually had a very good defense. Much better than any of Vitali's opponents during his reign. They have no footwork whatsoever and just stand their like a punching bag. Their hand positioning is good but leaves them open for Vitali's straight shots. They do not fight back. They do not try to win. And they are often out of shape.

Lyle didn't show his strength, but instead danced and stayed on the outside, using his jab to work his way in. This is exactly what is needed against Vitali, something that never happens.

[BillyBoxing]

Ron Lyle is 10X better than any opponent Vitali has ever beaten with Lyle's opposition also being vastly superior to anyone Vitali has ever fought so all the experience, strength, power lies with Ron Lyle who i would take to win by KO6

looooooooooooool!

Overrated US golden age.

Lyle fought a lot of bums,get beat by a bum.Vitali can beat him obviously.

[StarshipTrooper]

Overrated US golden age.

As opposed to today when effeminate Euros are watering down the higher weight classes with their inferior talent?

Talented European = Oxymoron

European "Athlete" = The title given to some slow white dude to lessen the shame of being from Europe.

Have a nice day Douche Bag :loser9:

Poet

[XionComrade]

As opposed to today when effeminate Euros are watering down the higher weight classes with their inferior talent?

Talented European = Oxymoron

European "Athlete" = The title given to some slow white dude to lessen the shame of being from Europe.

Have a nice day Douche Bag :loser9:

Poet

LOL WOW!!! And no, vitali does not beat Lyle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=226uc...eature=related

As a matter of fact Vitali is almost tailor made for Lyle. Not only was Lyle a great Boxer-Puncher, but he was a good pressure fighter. Both are acid baths for Vitali who absolutely cannot fight on the back foot, has even less defense than Lyle concerning jabs and straights, and cannot punch hard enough to discourage Lyle...Everytime Williams came forward he scored, almost at will...He cannot punch, he cannot take a punch, he has no talent...Lyle has one punch knockout power, a great chin, and is meaner than ****.


Size means jack here. 216lbs Ron Lyle knocked out Buster Mathis in 2 rounds, Mathis weighed over 260lbs, and was as good as anyone either Klit has ever beaten, if not better.

[r.burgundy]

Lol Lyle had a massive frame and decent stamina, he could easily go 10 rounds without missing a beat. Vitali can through shots underneath, body shots, uppercuts, he can throw them all. Alot of his shots come underneath the opponents guard and arms hitting them square on the chin. He will need to throw them just on the other side of Lyle's arm, across the top of them to catch Lyle.

Lyle had awesome footwork for such a big man, a good jab, and used his offense as defense. So no, Lyle actually had a very good defense. Much better than any of Vitali's opponents during his reign. They have no footwork whatsoever and just stand their like a punching bag. Their hand positioning is good but leaves them open for Vitali's straight shots. They do not fight back. They do not try to win. And they are often out of shape.

Lyle didn't show his strength, but instead danced and stayed on the outside, using his jab to work his way in. This is exactly what is needed against Vitali, something that never happens.

lyle wasnt massive lol.he was big compared to guys he fought but not by todays standards.calling him massive is like calling rahman massive.by todays standard he would be decent sized.he actually looked shorter than ali

please tell me what fights i can watch to see this great lyle footwork lol???ive seen him against quarry,ali,foreman,shavers,and cooney and i didnt see not 1 ounce of this great footwork and classic boxer/puncher stuff you speak of.so please cite fights which this was on display

you are not going to be beat a 6'7 man with a great jab by staying on the outside and working your way in.earlier you said the pressure lyle puts on vitali will win him the fight,and now its using a jab to work your way in.but either please show me the fights when lyles great jab and footwork were on display