Joe Frazier Beats The Klits, Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield

[joseph5620]

Michael Spinks/Frank Bruno Tyson brings it to Frazier. Sparks that ass out as soon as Frazier decides to trade. You gotta outbox Tyson....since it was easy to do so in the first place. Frazier won't do that. I'd be surprised if Smokin' Joe makes it 3 rounds.

Who exactly did Spinks or Bruno (particularly Spinks) ever "spark out" to make you believe that?

[Poet682006]

Who exactly did Spinks or Bruno (particularly Spinks) ever "spark out" to make you believe that?

I think he means the Tyson of the Spinks/Bruno period.

Poet

[Scott9945]

On the flip side Evander did struggle with a very poor imitation of Frazier in Bert Cooper. Had that been Joe in there Holy may not have made it out of the 3rd round.

I've always forgiven Holyfield for the near debacle against Cooper. Cooper was a late sub, and Holyfield was expecting an easy fight in his hometown. The only quality Cooper had that was above average was his power, and he nearly took Evander out. It seemed obvious to me that Holy didn't take the fight very seriously.

[them_apples]

Wladimir is fair game here, but what fight revealed that Vitali has no answer for inside fighting? It shouldn't be because he dictates the action in all of his fights and doesn't allow his opponents to be where he doesn't want them.

ehh but who has he ever fought that knows how to get inside? he fights stiff one dimensional boxers that just happen to be shorter than him.

[joseph5620]

I think he means the Tyson of the Spinks/Bruno period.

Poet

OK that makes sense.

[JAB5239]

Michael Spinks/Frank Bruno Tyson brings it to Frazier. Sparks that ass out as soon as Frazier decides to trade.

You gotta outbox Tyson....since it was easy to do so in the first place. Frazier won't do that. I'd be surprised if Smokin' Joe makes it 3 rounds.

I don't know. Holy didn't outbox Mike, he beat him at his own game.

[McGrain]

Prime Joe Frazier beats em all. With the Tyson fight being the most entertaining with a few knock downs and a devastating KO over Tyson. Being glass chinned but resembling a fractured image of Ali, Lewis puts up a decent 6 rounds before tasting to many left hooks and succumbing to Smokin Joe. The Klitchko's last longer than Lewis but even they cant run for ever from Joe's bobbing and weaving and taste more leather than they ever have and being glassed chinned as they fall to the best left hook ever.

Frazier has a very very good chance of beating these guys "in the lab", in one of fantasy fights in perfect conditions, but in a career, no chance. Frazier's monumental victory over Ali basically finished him on this kind of level. Both in mental terms and in physical terms, he slipped badly after that. There is an argument that in part it was due to his physical ailment going into the FOTC, but still, I think with the punches his style meant he would ship, plus his issues with blood-pressure and arthritis, plus his general attitude to life, he would lose more of these fights than he would win over a career.

But during his rare peak, he has a chance against anyone. I personally don't believe he could be out-pointed, he needed to be stopped.

[McGrain]

I think he means the Tyson of the Spinks/Bruno period.

Poet

Christ, that's Karpov. For years I thought it was Jools Holland playing the piano hahahahaha. Why Karpov?

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Christ, that's Karpov. For years I thought it was Jools Holland playing the piano hahahahaha. Why Karpov?

I'm guessing boxing is chess like Lewis used to say.

Weird reference.

On topic I'm guessing we should consider the Frazier that stepped into the ring for the FOTC and that brings me back to saying the TS is right.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

prinze, you saying Wlad's and Lewis' jabs are better than Ali's was in 71? No way! Their KO %ge is incomparable when you consider how long Ali fought and how Frazier could eat his punchjes even in Manilla when Frazier was clearly on the downslope.

I don't think so. The FOTC Frazier would be bobbing and weaving and coming inside all the time. His style is, as we all know, a young man's style. We have to assume his blindside is unknown by the opponents.

Its all about the opponent landing that uppercut, but in landing that uppercut the opponent takes a fair few Frazier punches and with a 70% Ko record he doesn't hit soft as far as I'm concerned.

I see Frazier flooring Wlad and Lewis and pushing Holyfield to the limit.

Prime Vitali, Tyson and Evander have all got a chance but I doubt Vitali for his inconsistency in the early part of his career leading up to his lifting the title.

I can see some of the best versions of Vitali retiring on the stool versus a prime Frazier. Also it comes back to Frazier's style and KO power when he was in his prime. He was unbeatable even by Ali.