P4P The Greatest Fighter who ever Lived

[sonnyboyx2]

1)You state that Sam is not in top 10 list of any reputable historians

2)You make a serious mistake, and give a false information.

3)I give you lists where he is rated top 10

4)I never said he is picked over Robinson, I said I do so. You said Sam is not even picked in top 10. To prove you wrong I give you the list

5) You come back and state that there are other lists where Sam is not picked and there are too many

6)I ask you to give the lists.You say you dont understand

7)I have already given my reasons for picking Sam as #1.If anyone picks Robbie its fine too.

8)What you don't understand now?

No problem pal.... here is some lists

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle135357.ece

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagot...t&pqatl=google

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/...s&pqatl=google

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...rnard-hopkins/

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/topte...080335,00.html

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...all+time&hl=en

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...all+time&hl=en

i will post more later for you once you post me the one you have which has Langford rated above Robinson

[Spartacus Sully]

I still have to read an article explaining clearly -

What P4P really means?

What's the Main Criteria?

Having no losses?

Having the most number of Boxing Fans?

Must He be, a BOXER, or a FIGHTER?

Having the highest percentage of KO/TKO Wins?

Having the most number of Titles in different weight Divisions?

What about the Attitude/ Good Moral Character?

SportsWriters, Boxing Organizations, and Boxing Fans, should be united in formulating the Main Criteria!

Pound for pound is a term to describe how any two things compare when bearing in mind their varying quan******; for example, a tin of tomatoes weighing 250 g and costing $2.50 is more expensive, pound for pound, than one weighing 500 g and costing $4 (as the former costs $1.00 per 100 g and the latter $0.80 per 100 g).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_for_pound

think of horse power to weight ratios in cars.

[Greatest1942]

No problem pal.... here is some lists

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle135357.ece

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagot...t&pqatl=google

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/...s&pqatl=google

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...rnard-hopkins/

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/topte...080335,00.html

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...all+time&hl=en

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...all+time&hl=en

i will post more later for you once you post me the one you have which has Langford rated above Robinson

You want me to accept your sun's list as a historians list...When does a newspaper became a historian?

And about me posting a list where Sam is ahead of Robinson in p4p settings, no I don't know of any historians who have done so.

I never said also I did have such a list. What I said was that lots of historians rank him in their top 10. I have him in my top 10 due to my own reasons. YOU STATED THAT HE IS NEVER IN ANY TOP 10 LISTS...OKay...I gave you three sources where he is fine? You gave a false information and I rectified it fine...see your quotes above.

[Greatest1942]

Sonny fact is you made a wrong statement why not admit it? You don't need to post these lists where Robinson is #1 he is that in most lists, virtually 90% of the lists. I know it as well as you. I have Sam #1 to which your reaction was no historian has Sam even in his top 10. I proved you wrong...I have him #1 for I believe he beat more greats at different weight than anybody, wanna prove me wrong on that?

[Greatest1942]

One of your list is of a best middle weights of all time..leaving that aside I will tell you this , don't blow your lid whenever someone does not rate sugar as #1. Hank Klapnan when asked who was the best boxer he knew replied Willie Pep, Tracy Callis does not have him at #1 either, so does a few. Though they are the minoirity.

Sam beat

1)Joe Gans at light weight--> a top 10 ATG great, also a P4P great

2)Beat Joe Walcott at Welter by all accounts (top 10 ATG welter)

3)Had the better of Stanley Ketchel at middle **top 10 ATG middle, atleast top 15)

4)Beat HarrY Willis,Sam McVea, Joe Jeanette at heavy (all top 30 heavy)

5)Lost to Jack Johnson (top 10 ATG heavy) giving up 20-25 pounds while going the distance.

6)KO'd a future middle weight champ when he was virtually blind.

7)Was ducked later on by the heavy champ.

I find the arguement compelling and have him at #1. If someone has him lower thats fine too. He is an ATG P4P great anyway you slice it, thats all I know.

[Spartacus Sully]

One of your list is of a best middle weights of all time..leaving that aside I will tell you this , don't blow your lid whenever someone does not rate sugar as #1. Hank Klapnan when asked who was the best boxer he knew replied Willie Pep, Tracy Callis does not have him at #1 either, so does a few. Though they are the minoirity.

Sam beat

1)Joe Gans at light weight--> a top 10 ATG great, also a P4P great

joe gans also gave up 5 lbs to Langford along with beat jack blackburn twice and drew once.

langford only beat blackburn once lost one and drew like 3 times.

sure its triangle theory or something but im sure if they had fought more then once gans would have won the second match.

[sonnyboyx2]

Here is what Blackburn thought of his fights with Langford

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...langford&hl=en

[Greatest1942]

Here is what Blackburn thought of his fights with Langford

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...langford&hl=en

No need to post this...Blackburn was a great light weight...and he also told Louis that Sam was the best of the old timers.

@Spartacus Sully
Gans may have won the second no doubt he could. I just stated that to show Sam's achievment at different weighs and no one save Fitz has that kind of success at so many diff. weigh catagories.

[sonnyboyx2]

Sonny fact is you made a wrong statement why not admit it? You don't need to post these lists where Robinson is #1 he is that in most lists, virtually 90% of the lists. I know it as well as you. I have Sam #1 to which your reaction was no historian has Sam even in his top 10. I proved you wrong...I have him #1 for I believe he beat more greats at different weight than anybody, wanna prove me wrong on that?

No i did not make a wrong statement.. i started this thread about Ray Robinson being universally recognized as P4P the greatest fighter of all time, you responded by saying you rate Sam Langford as No1, i said "your entitled to your opinion but ive never seen a boxing historian's P4P list who has Langford rated ahead of Robinson in fact most Historians lists ive viewed dont have Langford in their list." ... you then claim i have made up a wrong statement which is incorrect... you was hoping that in the beginning that others would jump on the bandwagon and support your theory that Langford was P4P greater than Robinson yet that has not been the case, so you then tried to ridicule me personally by claiming i have Lied which is incorrect, i told you at the start that you are entitled to your opinion but don't try to make me out to be some kind of clown who is talking bull shyte by putting up a topic video of Boxing Historians claiming Ray Robinson to be the P4P greatest of all time, because that view is universally accepted as being "Carved in Stone" so live with it instead of going overboard with something you cannot back up.

[Greatest1942]

No i did not make a wrong statement.. i started this thread about Ray Robinson being universally recognized as P4P the greatest fighter of all time, you responded by saying you rate Sam Langford as No1, i said "your entitled to your opinion but ive never seen a boxing historian's P4P list who has Langford rated ahead of Robinson in fact most Historians lists ive viewed dont have Langford in their list." ... you then claim i have made up a wrong statement which is incorrect... you was hoping that in the beginning that others would jump on the bandwagon and support your theory that Langford was P4P greater than Robinson yet that has not been the case, so you then tried to ridicule me personally by claiming i have Lied which is incorrect, i told you at the start that you are entitled to your opinion but don't try to make me out to be some kind of clown who is talking bull shyte by putting up a topic video of Boxing Historians claiming Ray Robinson to be the P4P greatest of all time, because that view is universally accepted as being "Carved in Stone" so live with it instead of going overboard with something you cannot back up.

False

You stated

Personal" choice as No1 but in reality Langford does not and never has made the Top 10,it is universally accepted over the last 60yrs that the term P4P was coined for Ray Robinson as he was the greatest fighter of all time and voted such by Boxing Historians at the IBHOF & BWoA"

Read the above in bold.Now you are retracing your words.You are not going to win this one by editing your posts or saying you didn't say what you did.