P4P The Greatest Fighter who ever Lived

[sonnyboyx2]

Had there been more footage of Langford or any of Greb we might be having a different conversation though.

Many of the Boxing Historians from the 1940s who rated Robinson P4P had seen Langford & Greb in the flesh fighting, they was not basing their votes on film-footage but actual ringside reporting. If we was to go by the great Ray Arcel who seen them all fight in the flesh then Benny Leonard would be P4P No1 so obviously a case can be made that Langford or Greb could be the greatest P4P fighter of all time

[McGrain]

i have repeatedly shown you list after list yet you keep going on and on by missconstuing my reply to suit your ****** little agenda... SHOW ME ONE LIST THAT HAS LANGFORD RATED AHEAD OF ROBINSON

1) Langford
2) Greb
3) Robinson

[Kid McCoy]

Many of the Boxing Historians from the 1940s who rated Robinson P4P had seen Langford & Greb in the flesh fighting, they was not basing their votes on film-footage but actual ringside reporting. If we was to go by the great Ray Arcel who seen them all fight in the flesh then Benny Leonard would be P4P No1 so obviously a case can be made that Langford or Greb could be the greatest P4P fighter of all time

Why accept the views of boxing historians uncritically? They can get it wrong too. Famously Nat Fleischer (who rated Robinson the best ever) excluded Muhammad Ali from his top 10 heavyweights list. Would you accept that too because it's the opinion of a boxing historian?

To me the three greatest fighters ever, based on their accomplishments, are Robinson, Langford and Greb in any order. All three have a strong case for being #1, although if you're looking for an argument for Langford over Robinson, then Sam beat Hall of Famers from lightweight through to heavyweight, something Robinson couldn't match, and would probably beat Robinson if they met at their best.

[Spartacus Sully]

Why accept the views of boxing historians uncritically? They can get it wrong too. Famously Nat Fleischer (who rated Robinson the best ever) excluded Muhammad Ali from his top 10 heavyweights list. Would you accept that too because it's the opinion of a boxing historian?

To me the three greatest fighters ever, based on their accomplishments, are Robinson, Langford and Greb in any order. All three have a strong case for being #1, although if you're looking for an argument for Langford over Robinson, then Sam beat Hall of Famers from lightweight through to heavyweight, something Robinson couldn't match, and would probably beat Robinson if they met at their best.

where would you rate an ali, thats only halfway through his carreer just came off a 3 year lay off and has had 3 fights the last of which he lost, as far as ATG heavies are concerned?

[sonnyboyx2]

Why accept the views of boxing historians uncritically? They can get it wrong too. Famously Nat Fleischer (who rated Robinson the best ever) excluded Muhammad Ali from his top 10 heavyweights list. Would you accept that too because it's the opinion of a boxing historian?

To me the three greatest fighters ever, based on their accomplishments, are Robinson, Langford and Greb in any order. All three have a strong case for being #1, although if you're looking for an argument for Langford over Robinson, then Sam beat Hall of Famers from lightweight through to heavyweight, something Robinson couldn't match, and would probably beat Robinson if they met at their best.

i have no problem with Sam, Greb & SRR being the top three but its just your opinion you think Sam would probably beat SRR i dont, like i dont believe Sam would have beaten Dempsey yet Sam fans have "jumped on my case" saying i am ****** and dont know what i am talking about

[Kid McCoy]

i have no problem with Sam, Greb & SRR being the top three but its just your opinion you think Sam would probably beat SRR i dont, like i dont believe Sam would have beaten Dempsey yet Sam fans have "jumped on my case" saying i am ****** and dont know what i am talking about

I don't think Sam would have beaten Dempsey either. It's hard to make a case for Robinson beating Langford though, if they met at their best. Robinson didn't beat a single light-heavyweight and had his hands full with most of the good/great middleweights his fought, whereas Langford has scores of wins over light-heavyweights and heavyweights.

[sonnyboyx2]

I don't think Sam would have beaten Dempsey either. It's hard to make a case for Robinson beating Langford though, if they met at their best. Robinson didn't beat a single light-heavyweight and had his hands full with most of the good/great middleweights his fought, whereas Langford has scores of wins over light-heavyweights and heavyweights.

Sam never defeated the caliber of middleweights which Robinson beat, Robinson only fought at 175 once and you obviously know the story with Joey Maxim being an excellent champion yet on his way to a landslide defeat from Robinson... in a head2head Robinson would be by far the greatest fighter Sam had ever been in the ring with, Sam was able to compete at heavyweight due to his incredible physical size & strength as well as it being a sign of the times.

[Kid McCoy]

Sam never defeated the caliber of middleweights which Robinson beat, Robinson only fought at 175 once and you obviously know the story with Joey Maxim being an excellent champion yet on his way to a landslide defeat from Robinson... in a head2head Robinson would be by far the greatest fighter Sam had ever been in the ring with, Sam was able to compete at heavyweight due to his incredible physical size & strength as well as it being a sign of the times.

Langford would also be the greatest fighter Robinson ever faced. And the hardest puncher by some distance. I don't see Gene Fullmer or Jake LaMotta KO'ing Harry Wills or Sam McVea.

Maxim was primarily a defensive-minded boxer who didn't have anything comparable to Langford's offensive threat. Robinson struggled with Maxim's size and strength, and was never able to seriously hurt him. I find it interesting that Robinson never pursued a rematch with Maxim, or took on Archie Moore or Harold Johnson. I think he just realised that top light-heavyweights were beyond him. After all he did start out as a lightweight.

Essentially it's a great fighter against a great larger fighter, and in that scenario is usually the larger man who wins. Peak to peak, Langford is about two full weight-classes bigger than Robinson. And no welterweight or middleweight however great is surviving a full whack on the chin from Langford.

[sonnyboyx2]

Langford would also be the greatest fighter Robinson ever faced. And the hardest puncher by some distance. I don't see Gene Fullmer or Jake LaMotta KO'ing Harry Wills or Sam McVea.

Maxim was primarily a defensive-minded boxer who didn't have anything comparable to Langford's offensive threat. Robinson struggled with Maxim's size and strength, and was never able to seriously hurt him. I find it interesting that Robinson never pursued a rematch with Maxim, or took on Archie Moore or Harold Johnson. I think he just realised that top light-heavyweights were beyond him. After all he did start out as a lightweight.

Essentially it's a great fighter against a great larger fighter, and in that scenario is usually the larger man who wins. Peak to peak, Langford is about two full weight-classes bigger than Robinson. And no welterweight or middleweight however great is surviving a full whack on the chin from Langford.

Robinson retired after the Maxim fight, do you think Langford would beat Archie Moore & Harold Johnson?

[Greatest1942]

Langford would also be the greatest fighter Robinson ever faced. And the hardest puncher by some distance. I don't see Gene Fullmer or Jake LaMotta KO'ing Harry Wills or Sam McVea.

Maxim was primarily a defensive-minded boxer who didn't have anything comparable to Langford's offensive threat. Robinson struggled with Maxim's size and strength, and was never able to seriously hurt him. I find it interesting that Robinson never pursued a rematch with Maxim, or took on Archie Moore or Harold Johnson. I think he just realised that top light-heavyweights were beyond him. After all he did start out as a lightweight.

Essentially it's a great fighter against a great larger fighter, and in that scenario is usually the larger man who wins. Peak to peak, Langford is about two full weight-classes bigger than Robinson. And no welterweight or middleweight however great is surviving a full whack on the chin from Langford.

Or Joe Jeanette. Joe was KO'd only once ever and that by Sam Langford. To make matters clear, Sam was #2 in Rings ranking of best punchers...And I do believe in a 5 fight series Sam will edge Moore. Besides Robinson never beat Moore. And possibly would not fared so well against him either. Sam beat Sam McVea who was better than Harold Johnson.