P4P The Greatest Fighter who ever Lived

[Underrated Jab]

you may rate Langford as your "Personal" choice as No1 but in reality Langford does not and never has made the Top 10, it is universally accepted over the last 60yrs that the term P4P was coined for Ray Robinson as he was the greatest fighter of all time and voted such by Boxing Historians at the IBHOF & BWoA

I have seen Sam in plenty of people's top 10. And just because the IBHOF says Robinson is the best dosen't mean it's fact. It's just there opinion.

Alot of people think Langford is greater than Robinson.

Sam Langford beat Joe Gans when he was just 17.

Sam Langford beat ATG Tiger Flowers when he was shot & virtually blind in both eyes.

Sam Langford A FORMER LW who stood 5''6 knocked ATG 6''2 HW Harry Willis cold.

Sam Langford knocked out ATG LHW Philadelphia Jack O'Brien.

Sam Langford scored over a 120 KO's, second only behind Archie Moore.

He also beat great HW's in Joe Jeannette, & Sam McVea

[lian17]

I think Ray Robinson is the greatest P4P

[Greatest1942]

you may rate Langford as your "Personal" choice as No1 but in reality Langford does not and never has made the Top 10, it is universally accepted over the last 60yrs that the term P4P was coined for Ray Robinson as he was the greatest fighter of all time and voted such by Boxing Historians at the IBHOF & BWoA

Okay lets see Sonny


This is monte cox's list:

All Time Pound 4 Pound

1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Gans
3. Harry Greb
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Joe Louis
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Sam Langford
8. Benny Leonard
9. Roberto Duran
10. Ray Leonard

Tracy Callis

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
4. Sam Langford
5. Charley Mitchell
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
10. Harry Greb

In IBRO's 25 greatest fighters of all time (call it a P4P list ) Sam is at #6. The IBRO has all of the best historians listed. Any thing else? I just think you are grossly mistaken here Sonny

[Greatest1942]

I have seen Sam in plenty of people's top 10. And just because the IBHOF says Robinson is the best dosen't mean it's fact. It's just there opinion.

Alot of people think Langford is greater than Robinson.

Sam Langford beat Joe Gans when he was just 17.

Sam Langford beat ATG Tiger Flowers when he was shot & virtually blind in both eyes.

Sam Langford A FORMER LW who stood 5''6 knocked ATG 6''2 HW Harry Willis cold.

Sam Langford knocked out ATG LHW Philadelphia Jack O'Brien.

Sam Langford scored over a 120 KO's, second only behind Archie Moore.

He also beat great HW's in Joe Jeannette, & Sam McVea

He also beat by a News paper decision Ketchel. Had Walcott beat. Here is a jist of the fight


"Langford was built for fighting. He had a small waist, huge chest, and arms that reached below his knees. In fact, his arm span was over six feet. He Was getting heavier and more powerful. As a welterweight he soon disposed of all the best boxers in that class. And then he got his chance at the title. September 5,1904, and he was in the ring with Joe Walcott. The welterweight champion of the world. Walcott was considered the greatest welterweight of any age, stood only 5' 1" and weighed 145. Being built like a wrestler, he looked as if nothing could knock him down. The referee stood back. The fight was on. Langford set a whirlwind pace and slugged away at Walcott's elusive, weaving body. Walcott was on the defensive. But In round eight, Walcott came out of his shell and for four rounds beat a tattoo of blows on Langford. The fourteenth round Sam leaped out of his chair and before Walcott could even cover up, connected with a right hand swing and two uppercuts. Walcott's face was marked with blood. The champion saw that the title was slipping from his grasp. He forgot all about style and just waded in. Sam stood up to him and returned blow for blow. The final bell rang and they were still at It. The referee had in break them apart. The judge's decision, a draw! The spectators booed and hollered and some even climbed into the ring to protest. "Langford is the champion!" they shouted. And that was the opinion of the newspapermen. The sports editor of the New York Illustrated News wrote, "My personal opinion is that Langford was entitled to the verdict, and should have been awarded the world's title."


In short he fought from lightweight to heavy weight (giving up 40 punds sometimes) and had the better of almost all the top dogs. Not a P4P great eh?

[sonnyboyx2]

Okay lets see Sonny


This is monte cox's list:

All Time Pound 4 Pound

1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Gans
3. Harry Greb
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Joe Louis
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Sam Langford
8. Benny Leonard
9. Roberto Duran
10. Ray Leonard

Tracy Callis

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
4. Sam Langford
5. Charley Mitchell
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
10. Harry Greb

In IBRO's 25 greatest fighters of all time (call it a P4P list ) Sam is at #6. The IBRO has all of the best historians listed. Any thing else? I just think you are grossly mistaken here Sonny

where is Ray Robinson on those 2 lists

[sonnyboyx2]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

Sugar Ray is considered by the majority of boxing historians as the greatest fighter of all time. He started his career at lightweight but could knock out middleweights with one punch from either hand. Robinson was completely dominant at welterweight. His peak record was 128-1-2. He had a 91 bout winning streak against first class competition. As a fighter he could do it all, he had speed, power, fluid boxing skills, and could take a tremendous punch. He was never physically knocked out in over 200 fights. Not only was the Sugarman the complete package but he was as close to perfection as it gets in boxing. Ray received 60% of the first place votes. 27 of 30 placed him inside the top three. Robinson is the only fighter who did not receive a vote outside of the top 10. from the IBHOF & BWoA

[katsidis]

We all know that john ruiz is the GOAT.

[Greatest1942]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

Sugar Ray is considered by the majority of boxing historians as the greatest fighter of all time. He started his career at lightweight but could knock out middleweights with one punch from either hand. Robinson was completely dominant at welterweight. His peak record was 128-1-2. He had a 91 bout winning streak against first class competition. As a fighter he could do it all, he had speed, power, fluid boxing skills, and could take a tremendous punch. He was never physically knocked out in over 200 fights. Not only was the Sugarman the complete package but he was as close to perfection as it gets in boxing. Ray received 60% of the first place votes. 27 of 30 placed him inside the top three. Robinson is the only fighter who did not receive a vote outside of the top 10. from the IBHOF & BWoA

You stated "you may rate Langford as your "Personal" choice as No1 but in reality Langford does not and never has made the Top 10, it is universally accepted over the last 60yrs that the term P4P was coined for Ray Robinson as he was the greatest fighter of all time and voted such by Boxing Historians at the IBHOF & BWoA"

See the part highlighted in bold. Your statement Sonny. For this I gave you all these lists and you see almost every historian do rank him within top 10 some within top 5

Now as per Sam I hold him as #1 if people hold him at lower and Sugar higher I don't have probs.By the way in Tracy Callis's list he doesnot have Sugar as #1.

Sugar Ray did not fight from lightweight to heavy beating almost all the greats of his era in each weight almost...Sonny on this basis I have Sam ranked at #1.

[sonnyboyx2]

You stated "you may rate Langford as your "Personal" choice as No1 but in reality Langford does not and never has made the Top 10, it is universally accepted over the last 60yrs that the term P4P was coined for Ray Robinson as he was the greatest fighter of all time and voted such by Boxing Historians at the IBHOF & BWoA"

See the part highlighted in bold. Your statement Sonny. For this I gave you all these lists and you see almost every historian do rank him within top 10 some within top 5

Now as per Sam I hold him as #1 if people hold him at lower and Sugar higher I don't have probs.By the way in Tracy Callis's list he doesnot have Sugar as #1.

Sugar Ray did not fight from lightweight to heavy beating almost all the greats of his era in each weight almost...Sonny on this basis I have Sam ranked at #1.

go back and read my comments instead of nit-picking, you claimed Lagford was IYO P4P No1 above Robinson yet i have never ever came across any boxing historians P4P list who had Langford above Robinson and your welcome to your opinion...i have seen more lists of Boxing historians that don't have Langford in it that one's that do have him in it, yet ive never seen a list that does not have Robinson in the top 3 spot with the vast majority having him at No1

[Greatest1942]

go back and read my comments instead of nit-picking, you claimed Lagford was IYO P4P No1 above Robinson yet i have never ever came across any boxing historians P4P list who had Langford above Robinson and your welcome to your opinion...i have seen more lists of Boxing historians that don't have Langford in it that one's that do have him in it, yet ive never seen a list that does not have Robinson in the top 3 spot with the vast majority having him at No1

Just provide me those lists...I am not dis*****g Robinson at #1 I had him there for a long time, and if someone has him there still now great. Sugar Ray is eminently qualified to hold that position. I have no problems with that.

If soemone does not have Sam in top 10 fine, that doesn't mean its Bible.
But I will like you to provide the lists you speak off.

Remember I gave you the IBRO list too.