Muhammad Ali brags about preaching at a KKK convention

[Toney616]

[B][I] Well we're not talking other parts of the world. We're talking about America and how much you obviously don't know regarding how racism affected Ali growing up.]

How about some direct quotes from Ali himself before he got in deep with the Nation or those close to him rather than just assuming he went through extreme racism?

You called Ali "pampered" in regards to racism. We can start there

I never said that. I said he was pampered because he acted like a spoilt kid when Archie Moore was trying to get him to do jobs which Ali felt were below his rank

[joseph5620]

Well lets see I'm so bothered about discrimination in America I'm going to join a loony group and wait for a spaceship to come down and kill all of the white people. Martin Luther King and all those other "uncle toms" can try and fight against that form of discrimination and afterwards I'll just claim credit for it. Hows that?

You didn't grow up in America in the 40's 50', or 60's did you? If not you can't speak on what you would or wouldn't have done. You have no credibilty on the topic.


And BTW, It was Malcolm X who publicly called King, Thurgood Marshall, and Jackie Robinson "Uncle Toms." It was Malcolm X who claimed "the chickens have come home to roost" immediately after knowing Kennedy had been assassinated. Not Ali.

[joseph5620]

How about some direct quotes from Ali himself before he got in deep with the Nation or those close to him rather than just assuming he went through extreme racism?

I never said that. I said he was pampered because he acted like a spoilt kid when Archie Moore was trying to get him to do jobs which Ali felt were below his rank

How about reading his books (I have) "The greatest" and Muhammad Ali: His life and times". Or watching the interviews throughout his life. You can get all of the information you need on that topic. That's a lot more informative and accurate than Sports illustrated articles.




And there are two sides to the Archie Moore story. It's all in Ali's books. Just a little example, Archie Moore wanted Ali to clean toilets and basically work as his personal servant when he was supposed to be training Ali. How many fighters do you know doing that for their trainers? You have an agenda so you want tyo believe Ali is always in the wrong.

[Toney616]

You didn't grow up in America in the 40's 50', or 60's did you? If not you can't speak on what you would or wouldn't have done.

I would of went to the Deep South and hung out with the Klan, while Im turning Fraziers life into a living Hell. Thats what I would of done

You have no credibilty on the topic.

And you have? Ali desrves awards for things he didnt take part in?

And BTW, It was Malcolm X who publicly called King, Thurgood Marshall, and Jackie Robinson "Uncle Toms." Not Ali.[/I][/B]

As dedicated follower of the Nation of Islam he would of felt the exact same way. He even went a step further and called for the death of Malcolm X, Leon 4xAmeer and mixed race couples. He even placed Fraziers life in danger when he tried to portray him to the world as a race traitor

[Toney616]

How about reading his books (I have) "The greatest" and Muhammad Ali: His life and times". Or watching his interviews throughout his life. You can get all of the information you need on that topic. That's a lot more informative and accurate than Sports illustrated articles.

I have read
-The autobiography of Malcolm X
-Sucker punch: the hard left hook that dazed Ali and killed King's dream
-Muhammad Ali: His life and times
-The ghosts of Manilla
I have watched:
-The thrilla in manilla -hbo documentary
-Ali-Frazier:One nation divisible

I have never read any sports illustrated articles. Mark Kram was a reporter from Sports Illustrated who was assigned to cover Alis boxing career and he used his writings to compile the book called the Ghosts of Manilla:The fateful blood feud bewteen Ali and Joe Frazier

It was the greatest which Ali parents had such a big problem with and even they called most of it lies- covered in Sucker punch and the ghosts of Manilla

And there are two sides to the Archie Moore story. It's all in Ali's books. Justa little example, Archie Moore wanted Ali to claen toilets and basically work as his personal servant when he was supposed to be training Ali. How many fighters do you know doing that for their trainers?

[/B]

Archie Moore tells a completely different story, when my home computer gets fixed(im using my workplaces pc) I'll post up Moore's side

[joseph5620]

I would of went to the Deep South and hung out with the Klan, while Im turning Fraziers life into a living Hell. Thats what I would of done

And you have? Ali desrves awards for things he didnt take part in?

As dedicated follower of the Nation of Islam he would of felt the exact same way. He even went a step further and called for the death of Malcolm X, Leon 4xAmeer and mixed race couples. He even placed Fraziers life in danger when he tried to portray him to the world as a race traitor

More than you obviously. And no Ali did not feel the exact same way regarding President Kennedy. Ali liked Kennedy and publicly critisized Malcolm X for his comments. You are dead wrong about that and it's not the first time.

[joseph5620]

I have read
-The autobiography of Malcolm X
-Sucker punch: the hard left hook that dazed Ali and killed King's dream
-Muhammad Ali: His life and times
-The ghosts of Manilla
I have watched:
-The thrilla in manilla -hbo documentary
-Ali-Frazier:One nation divisible

I have never read any sports illustrated articles. Mark Kram was a reporter from Sports Illustrated who was assigned to cover Alis boxing career and he used his writings to compile the book called the Ghosts of Manilla:The fateful blood feud bewteen Ali and Joe Frazier

It was the greatest which Ali parents had such a big problem with and even they called most of it lies- covered in Sucker punch and the ghosts of Manilla
Archie Moore tells a completely different story, when my home computer gets fixed(im using my workplaces pc) I'll post up Moore's side

Well you apparently ignored a lot of what you read in "life and times". Did you ever read "The greatest: My own story" too? Because obviously your basing your opinions on one point of view. What specifically did Ali's parents say he "lied" about in that book? This should be good lol.



Interesting that you would say that Ali's book is "full of lies" but accept every anti Ali book written as truth.



And when/if you post Moore's side of it, how do you know who's side is more accurate?

[Joeyzagz]

Joe Louis was from the Deep South and he was a proud American and took part in the Second World War

These guys lived in the same America as Ali did

Joe Louis was a caged American. Joe Louis had every aspect of his life controlled. He was the only heavyweight champ that had to live by a set of rules on when and where to smile, and to not show emotion after a win.

Ali was the antithesis of this. Ali didnt want to be a caged, obedient servant of the establishment, so naturally he chose the NOI over the other movement. He was basically walking from one cage to another, but that's the story of the 60's.

What has this got to do with the fact that he has no right picking up civil right awards?

Here is the definition of civil rights

1. the personal rights of the individual citizen, in most countries upheld by law, as in the US
2. ( modifier ) of, relating to, or promoting equality in social, economic, and political rights

Here are the first 3 points of the NOI "what ******s want"

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

The NOI may not have been a "loving" movement but they were basically calling for the civil rights of their people. I think its the word "civil" that is confusing you.

Which specific award(s) do you believe he did not deserve?

[joseph5620]

Joe Louis was a caged American. Joe Louis had every aspect of his life controlled. He was the only heavyweight champ that had to live by a set of rules on when and where to smile, and to not show emotion after a win.

Ali was the antithesis of this. Ali didnt want to be a caged, obedient servant of the establishment, so naturally he chose the NOI over the other movement. He was basically walking from one cage to another, but that's the story of the 60's.


Here is the definition of civil rights

1. the personal rights of the individual citizen, in most countries upheld by law, as in the US
2. ( modifier ) of, relating to, or promoting equality in social, economic, and political rights

Here are the first 3 points of the NOI "what ******s want"

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.

The NOI may not have been a "loving" movement but they were basically calling for the civil rights of their people. I think its the word "civil" that is confusing you.

Which specific award(s) do you believe he did not deserve?

I've asked the same question and still haven't gotten an answer.

[joseph5620]

He interviewed them about all of the stories/myths about Ali's life. So at least I've got something what do you have that isnt based on assumptions?

Ali knew that he even metioned it when the Russian reporter asked him about it.
"Dont worry about that we got some intelligent men and women working on that. America is the best country in the world"-Muhammad AliHe would then go on to call those who ended segregation in public places in America sell hating uncle toms and rub shoulders with his friends from the Klan

And I hope you are not talking about the story where he claimed he was refused a meal at a diner so he threw his gold medal away. Even he himself, Bundini brown and his father said that story was made up

Its a good thing that Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks and others actually did something about that, rather than call those involved in it "uncle toms" and "sell out negroes", then years later claim credit for their work

By all means go on and on

This makes it clear to me that you are clueless on this topic. You're using this as an example? Really? Ali said those things as an 18 year old Olympian in order to be PC, non confrontational, and a good representitive for his country. What else was he going say? In 1960? I don't think I need to explain why. And he regretted it. It's all in his book that you didn't read.