Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

[JAB5239]

- - Dunno know what you speak of now since you been melting in the morass of your mythical faerie queen lineal title.

Of course you know not of which I speak.....because you don't shit about boxing or its history.

[Dr. Z]

Holmes was the champion, why does he need to offer the fight? The bout was originally supposed to be in SA, but both King and Holmes joined with Arthur Ashes and other athletes and celebrities in protest.

Holmes was champion and fought all except for a few. But IMO in this case he used social reasons and boxing politics to pull out if the fight. Odd he had no such issues when the fight was originally planned.

Coetzee would have been say a top 5 Holmes opponent and one with the right ingredients to pull off an upset. I'd pick Holmes to win but....

I don't think Coetzee was an advocate for aparthied his government was at the time. I'm glad the changed things and Coetzee was against apartheid. Read this. No Spoilers.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gerri...b0d6f0ba03fb40

[QueensburyRules]

Of course you know not of which I speak.....because you don't shit about boxing or its history.

- - Ohhhh, CrackDaddy floydy now is it?

[Ivich]

- - What part of the murderously corrupt DKing do you not understand?

Why ain't you posted your resume?

Perhaps he is waiting for you to post yours?

[JAB5239]

- - Ohhhh, CrackDaddy floydy now is it?

You hitting the bottle this early already, or are you still going from last night?

[JAB5239]

Holmes was champion and fought all except for a few. But IMO in this case he used social reasons and boxing politics to pull out if the fight. Odd he had no such issues when the fight was originally planned.

Coetzee would have been say a top 5 Holmes opponent and one with the right ingredients to pull off an upset. I'd pick Holmes to win but....

I don't think Coetzee was an advocate for aparthied his government was at the time. I'm glad the changed things and Coetzee was against apartheid. Read this. No Spoilers.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gerri...b0d6f0ba03fb40

This is simply not true. At no time was Holmes on board with this fight happening in South Africa. When Weaver went over there in 1980 Holmes called him a traitor to his country and a traitor to his race. When King set up the Page fight after Holmes stuck by his convictions Larry said “I think King should be ashamed of himself, he’s always talking about his principles. It seems he sold em. If a man’s got principles, you can’t buy em.”

Nice Article on Coetzee. He was never on board with apartheid and was always a class act.

[Dr. Z]

This is simply not true. At no time was Holmes on board with this fight happening in South Africa. When Weaver went over there in 1980 Holmes called him a traitor to his country and a traitor to his race. When King set up the Page fight after Holmes stuck by his convictions Larry said “I think King should be ashamed of himself, he’s always talking about his principles. It seems he sold em. If a man’s got principles, you can’t buy em.”

Nice Article on Coetzee. He was never on board with apartheid and was always a class act.

King who promoted Coetzee vs Page? That wired hair promoter had no morals and was all about money, not politics or protesting.

[Anthony342]

It's a common assumtion that the heavies of today are the worst crop ever. Outside the K-bros the contenders are terrible. Of course it's a subjective reasoning.

My feeling is that the era of Joe Louis and more recently Larry Holmes also had a pretty weak cast.

This thread will show a strenght comparison between the (alphabet) titlereigns of Larry Holmes and Wlad Klitschko.

For the sake of this thread I will only measure Larry Holmes 'first' career and deal with Wlad's as if he retired today.


Record in titlefights:

Wlad: 16-2 (14 KO's)
Holmes: 20-3 (14 KO's)



Strenght of schedule (Ring magazine ranking of opponent):

U = Outside top 10.

RED = Loss

Wlad: 10, U, U, U, U, 9, U, U, 1, 7, U, 7, 6, 8, U, 3, 4, U

Holmes: 3, 8, 10, 4, 5, 7, 6, 10, U, 7, 8, 11, 3, 10, 0, 10, 4, 9, U, 1, 1.


Notable opponents not fought:

Wlad: Vitali Klitschko, David Haye, Lennox Lewis.

Holmes: Mike Weaver II, Micheal Dokes, Pinklon Thomas.

So you like Wlad's reign better?

[QueensburyRules]

You hitting the bottle this early already, or are you still going from last night?

- - Pray tell us how many times you bottled it in your career?

[Willow The Wisp]

Holmes was champion and fought all except for a few. But IMO in this case he used social reasons and boxing politics to pull out if the fight. Odd he had no such issues when the fight was originally planned.

Coetzee would have been say a top 5 Holmes opponent and one with the right ingredients to pull off an upset. I'd pick Holmes to win but....

I don't think Coetzee was an advocate for aparthied his government was at the time. I'm glad the changed things and Coetzee was against apartheid. Read this. No Spoilers.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gerri...b0d6f0ba03fb40

Face planted against Page. Issue settled, as it was for the whole line of Don King WBA pretenders. QueensburyRules is looking for people to mess with. That should be obvious. Only a handful of long reigning champions were as dominant as Larry Holmes. Even as an old man he was among the best of the next decade.