Wlad Klitschko Ranks As The 50th Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time

[QueensburyRules]

This is an assumption with no factual basis. When was he ducking him, in 2000 when Vits quit against Byrd? 2001 when Vits wasn't even in the year end ratings? Or 2002 when he fought Tyson, who EVERYONE wanted including Vitaly?

- - So, U a$$ consumption don't understand a boxing timeline is no surprise to those remaining on this forum sadly in decline. Look, Vit ducked he WBA mandatory Ruiz to sell off to DKing and then he IBF Mandatory Leftie Byrd who could make Lewie look like the clod he was to sell to Dking, so Vit was in a long line of top Ring Ranked fighters being ducked,

No big deal save U soft lad needing Lewie as U heroine...snickers...

[JAB5239]

- - So, U a$$ consumption don't understand a boxing timeline is no surprise to those remaining on this forum sadly in decline. Look, Vit ducked he WBA mandatory Ruiz to sell off to DKing and then he IBF Mandatory Leftie Byrd who could make Lewie look like the clod he was to sell to Dking, so Vit was in a long line of top Ring Ranked fighters being ducked,

No big deal save U soft lad needing Lewie as U heroine...snickers...

First off, you still haven't explained the 3 lawsuits you say Vits won against Lewis. Second, you have no room to talk about who Lewis did or didn't fight when you defend Vits poor resume and excuse all the fighters (28 ring ranked) he did not fight.

[JAB5239]

- - 8+3 = 11 weeks training camp for Lewie vs Vit who took the fight on 2 weeks notice. He wasn't in full Lewie training before that because he obviously had to fight other heavies while Lewie was ducking both him and his previous two judgements in the US courts ordering Lewie to fight Vit if he fought in the US.

You're an idiot.

[JAB5239]

- - 8+3 = 11 weeks training camp for Lewie vs Vit who took the fight on 2 weeks notice. He wasn't in full Lewie training before that because he obviously had to fight other heavies while Lewie was ducking both him and his previous two judgements in the US courts ordering Lewie to fight Vit if he fought in the US.

Let me get this straight. Vits won two lawsuits now, not 3? And they forced him to fight Vits if he fought in the US? I'm surprised Lewis want prosecuted his last 4 fights before Vits.....all being in the US. I'm also surprised there was no injunction stopping the Kirk Johnson fight, which was also in the US. hmmmm.........

[Bronson66]

Wasn’t Vitali mandatory?

He was the WBC's no 1 and Ring ranked number 7.He had not beaten a top ten Ring ranked fighter.

[Willow The Wisp]

Quality of opponents is arguably the single most significant aspect when assessing a career. Nothing startling about that.

Of course, management navigation & protection, health recovery between fights, miscellaneous issues like war, Covid, and obligation to the Sanctioning bodies and their crazy ratings (you ever see some of those? Is Mike Perez really number 6 in the world right now??? Because Povetkin finished him at 1:31 of the First, 9 years ago). These are things that can impede a top fighter's collecting of the top scalps.

Champions like Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis and even Wladimir Klitschko performed a deep cleaning of their era's division and made fights with everyone who was ranked and willing, and are properly credited for doing so.

Others, however, were left to derive their acceptance from other laudable claims, such as Dempsey, who made a modest 5 successful defences over a 7 year period as champion, skipping a swath of worthy challengers such as Harry Wills, George Godfrey, Kid Norfolk, Battling Levinsky, Harry Greb, Tom Cowler, Charley Weinert, Jack Renault, etc, while Jack was kept busy being a top tier cultural icon of the roaring 20s.

To his credit, the Mauler did major house cleaning on his way to the title, and aside from African Americans, who the western culture, not Dempsey himself, barred from receiving title shots; he defended against the best of the rest; and fashioned a strong sense that nobody active would've stood a chance.

And then, you have a division leader like Tyson Fury, who was simply too inactive as a champion for the good of the fans and the sport; and while he re-joined his lineage after an Ali length absence, by thrice engaging long time WBC king Deontay Wilder, at the time regarded as the best (certainly the most dangerous) alternate title holder; his paltry schedule over his term deflates his measure of greatness. Though not entirely.

Vitali Klitschko and Deontay Wilder were two of the more active defenders of their respective titles; but knowing fans often take issue with the quality of those opponents, as for both kingpins, there were harder challenges left untraveled.

And here we are.

[JAB5239]

Quality of opponents is arguably the single most significant aspect when assessing a career. Nothing startling about that.

Of course, management navigation & protection, health recovery between fights, miscellaneous issues like war, Covid, and obligation to the Sanctioning bodies and their crazy ratings (you ever see some of those? Is Mike Perez really number 6 in the world right now??? Because Povetkin finished him at 1:31 of the First, 9 years ago). These are things that can impede a top fighter's collecting of the top scalps.

Champions like Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis and even Wladimir Klitschko performed a deep cleaning of their era's division and made fights with everyone who was ranked and willing, and are properly credited for doing so.

Others, however, were left to derive their acceptance from other laudable claims, such as Dempsey, who made a modest 5 successful defences over a 7 year period as champion, skipping a swath of worthy challengers such as Harry Wills, George Godfrey, Kid Norfolk, Battling Levinsky, Harry Greb, Tom Cowler, Charley Weinert, Jack Renault, etc, while Jack was kept busy being a top tier cultural icon of the roaring 20s.

To his credit, the Mauler did major house cleaning on his way to the title, and aside from African Americans, who the western culture, not Dempsey himself, barred from receiving title shots; he defended against the best of the rest; and fashioned a strong sense that nobody active would've stood a chance.

And then, you have a division leader like Tyson Fury, who was simply too inactive as a champion for the good of the fans and the sport; and while he re-joined his lineage after an Ali length absence, by thrice engaging long time WBC king Deontay Wilder, at the time regarded as the best (certainly the most dangerous) alternate title holder; his paltry schedule over his term deflates his measure of greatness. Though not entirely.

Vitali Klitschko and Deontay Wilder were two of the more active defenders of their respective titles; but knowing fans often take issue with the quality of those opponents, as for both kingpins, there were harder challenges left untraveled.

And here we are.

Top notch post!

[QueensburyRules]

Let me get this straight. Vits won two lawsuits now, not 3? And they forced him to fight Vits if he fought in the US? I'm surprised Lewis want prosecuted his last 4 fights before Vits.....all being in the US. I'm also surprised there was no injunction stopping the Kirk Johnson fight, which was also in the US. hmmmm.........

- - MonkeyMan brains, learn English and then take a Math 101 course, and then Logic 101, AND then get back to me.

[JAB5239]

- - MonkeyMan brains, learn English and then take a Math 101 course, and then Logic 101, AND then get back to me.

8-12 weeks is a standard training camp. You claimed Lewis had 3 in England and 6 in the US while getting ready for Kirk Johnson. That 9 weeks. You then went on to say he had 11 weeks and Vits only had 3, even though Vits was ALSO in training for a fight on the undercard.

So either you're lying, trolling or making up conspiracy theories for Vits loss, or youre that ignorant. Anyway you slice it, it's a bad look on your part.

[QueensburyRules]

8-12 weeks is a standard training camp. You claimed Lewis had 3 in England and 6 in the US while getting ready for Kirk Johnson. That 9 weeks. You then went on to say he had 11 weeks and Vits only had 3, even though Vits was ALSO in training for a fight on the undercard.

So either you're lying, trolling or making up conspiracy theories for Vits loss, or youre that ignorant. Anyway you slice it, it's a bad look on your part.

- - But he had 8 weeks in the US, a simple typo. The only conspiracy about Vit loss to Lewie was 1. Illegal loose tape ploy that started the cut. 2. Holding whilst rubbing his rasta braids into the cut. 3. Holding back of Vit head to deliver uppercuts, ie not exact cricket Marquis de Queensberry Rules but typical the way boxing officiates. We just had a Mob Fighter as WBC champ...