Ezzard Charles vs. Joe Calzaghe at 168 Who Ya Got

[Die Antwoord]

Tell me about all the top fighters that Calzaghe KO'd in his so called prime. Names like Omar Sheika, Byron Mitchell and Richie Woodhall aren't going to pass, sorry, not when talking about a match-up against arguably the greatest light heavyweight of all time.

And have you ever watched Veit. Veit was a very good fighter who only lost to Joe Calzaghe in his first 50 fights and calzaghe beat him twice needing only 7 rounds to do it. Also Will Mcintyre was a very good fighter who was enver down before succombing to Joe Calzaghe in 4. Joe has many good fighters on his resume but my guess is because you dont watch Euro boxing you are just going to attack them without seeing them.

[TheGreatA]

I will when you tell me about the top fighters Lloyd Marshall KO'ed in his prime.

Charles was 21 years old at the time, avenged the loss by 2 knockouts.

KO'd Freddie Mills, Babe Risko, Fitzie Fitzpatrick, Ralph DeJohn.

Knocked down Archie Moore, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Teddy Yarosz, Bobo Olson and Joey Maxim.

[TheGreatA]

And have you ever watched Veit. Veit was a very good fighter who only lost to Joe Calzaghe in his first 50 fights and calzaghe beat him twice needing only 7 rounds to do it. Also Will Mcintyre was a very good fighter who was enver down before succombing to Joe Calzaghe in 4. Joe has many good fighters on his resume but my guess is because you dont watch Euro boxing you are just going to attack them without seeing them.

Yes I've watched Veit. Aside from his height, he is most unimpressive.

Will McIntyre? Are you kidding? Sounds like it's you who hasn't seen these fighters, or you're most likely just joking around.

[Dead Ringer]

I'd give Joe a pretty good shot but no way would he get him in 3. I doubt he'd even be able to knock him out.

[JAB5239]

How is this trolling. Joe Calzaghe never lost and in his first 22 fights had 21 KO's. he had a lot of power in his prime. He knocked down Eubank in the first round with a great shot and in Charles' day would have just continued slapping him as soon as he got up.

Charles was 168 when he was TKO'ed by Lloyd Marshall and I think Joe is better than Lloyd Marshall...much better. Charles was knocked down 8 times in that fight. For those keeping score at home, thats twice as many times as Joe was knocked down in his career. I have seen several Ezzard Charles fights and read about the ones I cant find video on, guys who brought consistent pressure caused him the most problems. That is Joe Calzaghe right there.

Joe's pressure is like nothing Charles would have ever seen before. Joe throws a mile a minute over and over and hes just relentless.

I dont see how its trolling to think that an undefeated fighter who had 20 title defenses at SMW would beat a guy who lost several times at that weight to club fighters and was knocked down 8 times by Lloyd Marshall who was giving up 3 lbs, was naturally a smaller guy and had lost 3 times in the previous 2 years. I mean, is it trolling because the answer seems somewhat obvious? People dont want to talk about the Klitschko's so why cant we compare Calzaghe to Charles. Since Joe was 5'11 with a 74'' reach and charles was 6'0 with a 74'' reach. They both fought at around 168 for a large part of their careers. I think thats pretty legit of a topic.

If you think Charles beats Joe Calzaghe id love to know how, but prime Joe was a beast

You say its not trolling, ok, I'll continue to give you the benefit of the doubt based on you at least forming an argument no matter how absurd I think it is. But you're obviously uneducated about the era and fighters of that time using boxrec as your primary resource. Burley, Bivins, Moore and Marshall were better at the time Charles fought them than anyone Calzaghe ever fought. You make a claim of Charles losing to some of these guys and who they lost to. Look who they beat in comparison to who Joe beat. who fought the better comp? Take into consideration that many times colored fighters of earlier era's were made to carry fighters or even lost just to get paid. There is so much you leave out I find it hard to take you seriously.

[Die Antwoord]

Charles was 21 years old at the time, avenged the loss by 2 knockouts.

KO'd Freddie Mills, Babe Risko, Fitzie Fitzpatrick, Ralph DeJohn.

Knocked down Archie Moore, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Teddy Yarosz, Bobo Olson and Joey Maxim.

Funniest thing about that first knockout revenge was that Marshall put Charles down again. Meaning Marshall put Charles on the canvas 9 times in total. 9 times. Joe would punish someone who goes down that easy.

[Die Antwoord]

Yes I've watched Veit. Aside from his height, he is most unimpressive.

Will McIntyre? Are you kidding? Sounds like it's you who hasn't seen these fighters, or you're most likely just joking around.

Uhh Veit unimpressive? Veit is a very good fighter and whats your issue with McIntyre. The dude had an iron chin and was a very good fighter. joe dispatched of him easily.

I dont want to hear about Charles' early opponents, you want to say Joe didnt leave England, Charles didnt leave Ohio and Pennsylvania. Also a guy getting sparked but putting the opponent down once..I dont count that as a victory.

[Die Antwoord]

You say its not trolling, ok, I'll continue to give you the benefit of the doubt based on you at least forming an argument no matter how absurd I think it is. But you're obviously uneducated about the era and fighters of that time using boxrec as your primary resource. Burley, Bivins, Moore and Marshall were better at the time Charles fought them than anyone Calzaghe ever fought. You make a claim of Charles losing to some of these guys and who they lost to. Look who they beat in comparison to who Joe beat. who fought the better comp? Take into consideration that many times colored fighters of earlier era's were made to carry fighters or even lost just to get paid. There is so much you leave out I find it hard to take you seriously.

So youre going with the, "he was paid to lose" defense. Joe's style would be so bad for Charles. Just watch them. Charles couldnt handle that pressure and being a southpaw would be such a huge advantage against a guys whose best punch was countering the left jab. Joe would feast on him. So maybe a lot of charles's wins then were colored fighters as you say paid to lose to him. It works both ways.

[JAB5239]

So youre going with the, "he was paid to lose" defense. Joe's style would be so bad for Charles. Just watch them. Charles couldnt handle that pressure and being a southpaw would be such a huge advantage against a guys whose best punch was countering the left jab. Joe would feast on him. So maybe a lot of charles's wins then were colored fighters as you say paid to lose to him. It works both ways.

You have no idea what you're talking about so its pointless to debate with you. You are walking on thin ice though.

[TheGreatA]

Uhh Veit unimpressive? Veit is a very good fighter and whats your issue with McIntyre. The dude had an iron chin and was a very good fighter. joe dispatched of him easily.

How was Veit a very good fighter? Do you even know who Will McIntyre is? He's an American clubfighter.

I dont want to hear about Charles' early opponents, you want to say Joe didnt leave England, Charles didnt leave Ohio and Pennsylvania. Also a guy getting sparked but putting the opponent down once..I dont count that as a victory.

Senseless rambling.

I know you aren't serious considering your history but this is still incredibly ******.

You want to say Calzaghe wins? That's alright with me. But don't act surprised for being laughed off after bringing up Will McIntyre as any kind of proof of Calzaghe's superiority over Ezzard Charles.