Ezzard Charles vs. Joe Calzaghe at 168 Who Ya Got

[StarshipTrooper]

There's a huge jump in class here. Fringe American contenders > top Eurobums. Europe was, is, and always will be boxing's minor-leagues.

Poet

[Die Antwoord]

You have no idea what you're talking about so its pointless to debate with you. You are walking on thin ice though.

Then dont reply to the thread. Why are you replying? You replied with the Ezzard Charles conspiracy theory knocked down 9 times because he was paid...I said you had no proof of that. How does this thread bother you. I explained Charles's two best punches and why I think Joe wouldnt worry about either one, but you havent responded to any of that and yet youre accusing me of trolling. Joe Calzaghe never once lost, beat ATGs and had 20 title defenses. He took Kesslers best shots and walked through them. Charles was knocked down quite a bit in his career and due to Calzaghe's work rate he got a lot of stoppage wins, i hear a lot of people arguing that Joe would win by UD, ok, I think they are only looking at the Joe when he came to America, but Ok. I dont see anyone saying Charles would win or could deal with Joe's pressure, joe's superior speed, his superior chin, his superior work rate, fast hands and everything that made Joe the 46-0 ATG.

Its a history question so belongs in this forum, if you dont like my opinion ok, but youre engaging in personal attacks. Saying I have no idea what im talking about and its pointless to debate me. Ok, there are plenty of other threads here you can engage yourself in. How about attacking Sonnyboys clear Sam Peter bait thread.

Its a fact that Charles spent a majority of his career fighting in the ohio and pennsylvania area. Thats just a fact. How can you argue with that. He fought many club fighters then and even lost to a few.

His feints to the body followed by head shots would not worry joe. Joe was too fast for that and rarely cared about his opponents shots. Joe would beat Charles, Ive seen a ton from each and Joe had too much skill, and way too much speed and reflexes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ge2oCEH6NI

Just watch how Joe controls the distance moves in and out, his finishing ability, his just utter relentlessness. He throws so much faster than Charles. joe would trade shots with anyone and he always won those exchanges.

Joe even utilized a southpaw version of the shoulder role at times to increase his defense and even would push people back with his shoulder and then attack.

Just watch Joe absolutely ruin Jeff Lacy whose punching ability was great. Im not saying Lacey was some great, but he could throw back then. His KO compilations say enough and no one thought Joe would win that fight and he fought Jeff in the center of the ring fearlessly.

If Charles tried to lure Joe into a power shot it just wouldnt work. Joe was too quick. Tons of fighters tried that over the years and joes in and out style made that almost impossible.

Im not denying Ezzard Charles was good in his time, but the fact is Joe h2h would beat him. Whether by stoppage or overwhelming UD he just had way too much.

Also I love the people on here who say im a troll for saying Calzaghe would stop Charles in 3, but yet its cool to say Charles would KO 1 Vitali...THeres several reasons to think that the Joe Calzaghe pressure would be too much for Charles.

[SBleeder]

Its a fact that Charles spent a majority of his career fighting in the ohio and pennsylvania area. Thats just a fact. How can you argue with that. He fought many club fighters then and even lost to a few.

Given that Calzaghe never defended his championship outside of Europe, I fail to see how this means crap. Pennsylvania has produced many of the toughest fighters in history, by the way.

Calzaghe knocking out Charles within 3 rounds is just laughable, considering that Joe landed maybe a couple of significant damaging punches in his two LHW bouts, fought against guys pushing 40.

[Die Antwoord]

Given that Calzaghe never defended his championship outside of Europe, I fail to see how this means crap. Pennsylvania has produced many of the toughest fighters in history, by the way.

Calzaghe knocking out Charles within 3 rounds is just laughable, considering that Joe landed maybe a couple of significant damaging punches in his two LHW bouts, fought against guys pushing 40.

Britain>>>>>>>>Ohio and Pennsylvania

Also did you forget that Joe Calzaghe was 36 when he defeated Hopkins and Jones on foreign soil. Oh man Jones was so old...what with being 3 years older than Calzaghe. Wow...lets take a look at what Ezzard Charles did in his career past the age of Joe Calzaghe's first knockdown.

Ezzard Charles past the age of 32. 12 wins 16 losses...including getting KO'ed by the likes of Young Jack Johnson. But thats right, that doesnt matter, what does matter is Joe Calzaghe's performances at 36...not Ezzard Charles's performances at 32.

Joe's hands were gone, wow, he still was able to move and perform at a ridiculously high level. He had broken hands, he still won his fights on foreign soil.

Just curious, how many fights did Ezzard Charles fight outside the U.S?

Arent some of the best LHW/SMW of all time British?, you know Calzaghe, Eubank, Benn, Collins, McCallum who was born in Jamaica when it was part of England. Let alone what those divisions look like today with tons of Euros being huge.

I mean you ignore the Jimmy Bivins beatdown and Charles beat Bivins past his prime after the army and after his heart was taken from Walcott. I mean Bivins knocked Charles down 7 times in their first fight. How many times was Charles KD more than 4 times in a single match?

Sorry, Charles isnt better than Calzaghe just because someone in 1954 said he was the best LHW ever. People like Calzaghe didnt exist back then. He was a freak of nature, he had everything needed and would be a nightmare for someone like Charles.

[DarkTerror88]

Ezzard Charles was one of the most skilled boxer punchers of all time. He moved near flawlessly between punches.

Based on what I have seen of Calzaghe (title fights that I have footage of) he seems more like a volume puncher who's punches didn't hurt like Marciano's or Armstrongs or Fraziers but just overwhelmed his opponens with quantity of punches.

I also believe he in no concievable way he hit harder than The agless old mongoose Archie Moore. If Moore couldn't KO Charles how could Joe?

JMO

[BennyST]

1) 168 under day before weigh in rule = 175 under same day weigh in rule.

2)... Actually 1) is enough.

Calzaghe struggled enough throughout his entire career to make 168 in re-fight day weigh in rules so he wouldn't make it back then, that's for sure.

So, it would be at 175. 175 prime version of Charles vs Calzaghe.....Hmmmm, difficult one isn't it? Wait a second! No, it's not.

Anyway, just explain why you think he'd get KO'd in three rounds? Which ATG, HOF legend did he Ko in three or so rounds to make you think that?

I mean, a years younger, more or less prime Jones Jr was knocked out in two rounds, nine and nearly stopped on other occasions and he was stopped in one after fighting Calzaghe yet Calzaghe could only decision and got ****ing badly hurt in the process. So, what makes you think he would KO a prime LHW Charles in three?

In fact, Charles has the better punch than anyone Calzaghe has faced and I would say that if anyone gets knocked out it's Calzaghe on a brutal counter.

[StarshipTrooper]

Britain>>>>>>>>Ohio and Pennsylvania

Delaware > Britain.....hell, Lichtenstein > Britain.

Poet

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Then dont reply to the thread. Why are you replying? You replied with the Ezzard Charles conspiracy theory knocked down 9 times because he was paid...I said you had no proof of that. How does this thread bother you. I explained Charles's two best punches and why I think Joe wouldnt worry about either one, but you havent responded to any of that and yet youre accusing me of trolling. Joe Calzaghe never once lost, beat ATGs and had 20 title defenses. He took Kesslers best shots and walked through them. Charles was knocked down quite a bit in his career and due to Calzaghe's work rate he got a lot of stoppage wins, i hear a lot of people arguing that Joe would win by UD, ok, I think they are only looking at the Joe when he came to America, but Ok. I dont see anyone saying Charles would win or could deal with Joe's pressure, joe's superior speed, his superior chin, his superior work rate, fast hands and everything that made Joe the 46-0 ATG.

Its a history question so belongs in this forum, if you dont like my opinion ok, but youre engaging in personal attacks. Saying I have no idea what im talking about and its pointless to debate me. Ok, there are plenty of other threads here you can engage yourself in. How about attacking Sonnyboys clear Sam Peter bait thread.

Its a fact that Charles spent a majority of his career fighting in the ohio and pennsylvania area. Thats just a fact. How can you argue with that. He fought many club fighters then and even lost to a few.

His feints to the body followed by head shots would not worry joe. Joe was too fast for that and rarely cared about his opponents shots. Joe would beat Charles, Ive seen a ton from each and Joe had too much skill, and way too much speed and reflexes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ge2oCEH6NI

Just watch how Joe controls the distance moves in and out, his finishing ability, his just utter relentlessness. He throws so much faster than Charles. joe would trade shots with anyone and he always won those exchanges.

Joe even utilized a southpaw version of the shoulder role at times to increase his defense and even would push people back with his shoulder and then attack.

Just watch Joe absolutely ruin Jeff Lacy whose punching ability was great. Im not saying Lacey was some great, but he could throw back then. His KO compilations say enough and no one thought Joe would win that fight and he fought Jeff in the center of the ring fearlessly.

If Charles tried to lure Joe into a power shot it just wouldnt work. Joe was too quick. Tons of fighters tried that over the years and joes in and out style made that almost impossible.

Im not denying Ezzard Charles was good in his time, but the fact is Joe h2h would beat him. Whether by stoppage or overwhelming UD he just had way too much.

Also I love the people on here who say im a troll for saying Calzaghe would stop Charles in 3, but yet its cool to say Charles would KO 1 Vitali...THeres several reasons to think that the Joe Calzaghe pressure would be too much for Charles.

Lots of people who?

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Can anyone post a gif of Calzaghe being put on his ass by right hand counters thrown by 40yo men?

Thanks

[THE REED]

Lots of people who?

How you been man?