Dirtiest Fighter Ever?

[BigStereotype]

Yes , Jack Dempsey deserves a mention , but how many here saw his low blow hook combo against Jack Sharkey ?
And someone tell me about Ali's use of the thumbs.

Check out Facing Ali. There's a clip of him just battering Terrell's (I think) face with his thumb when they're against the ropes.

[frankenfrank]

Check out Facing Ali. There's a clip of him just battering Terrell's (I think) face with his thumb when they're against the ropes.

So it happened only against Terrell ?

[BigStereotype]

So it happens only against Terrell ?

That's the one that specifically jumps to mind. I think I read about him doing it to Karl Mildenberger, too, but I never saw that fight. I'm sure these history gurus can provide more examples, since he was pretty ******* with the rules.

[GoogleMe]

Can also add Sandy Saddler and Battling Nelson.

What do you know about Battling Nelson? Did you ever see him fight??????

[Anthony342]

Fritzie Zivic for sure though its suprising that Marciano hasn't got a mention yet, for the ****ell fight alone!

You mean, for hitting an opponent on the back of the head when the opponent would duck his head down? I remember he did that to Archie Moore too.

If not that, then what dirty tactics is Marciano known for?

[Anthony342]

I include different things to define dirty. Not just low blows, pushing off, head butts, or hitting on the break. I include rought tatics, rabbit punching, and yes cheating before the ring.



Ad Wolgast(alley fighter) ,Max Baer, Trinidad, Fenech(check out the rugby tackle in first nelson fight).

Okay obvious picks- Luis Resto, Margocheato, and any guys who use PED's or loaded gloves.

Most gentleman fighters: Arguello, De La Hoya, and for all the bad rep for being a **** in his early days, Max Schemling was one of the nicest fighters both in the ring and outside of the ring.

Cool. Yeah I heard something about Trinidad, but I haven't gotten to his career set yet. So what was he known for? Loaded hand wraps? What were they loaded with? I saw that HBO documentary on Resto Assault in the Ring, great boxing doc. Apparently he didn't know about the stuffing being taken out beforehand from the gloves, but said he saw Panama Lewis with someone else going into the bathroom with the gloves. I guess he felt by the time he put them on, it might've been too late and maybe didn't want to rat out Lewis. The doc said both guys did time in prison for assault and that Lewis is banned from working the corner so he only works in the gym. Resto also sheds light on the mixed bottles Lewis used, like with Aaron Pryor in the first Arguello fight. Resto said it was some kind of OTC asthma tablet dissolved in water to open up the airways of a fighter, giving him more energy in the later rounds. I doubt Pryor knew about that either. What I liked about Pryor too was he proved he was the better boxer by taking the rematch with Arguello with a different trainer and beating him in 3 fewer rounds.

What about dirtiest trainers or cornermen? Panama Lewis has to be the dirtiest? Were there any other corner guys known for dirty tactics? The only other guys I think of is Sonny Liston's corner, when they put that solution on his gloves that burned Ali's eyes in their first fight. Apparently other fighters had similar complaints about burning eyes after fighting Liston. Any other guys? Margharito's camp of course, none I can think of at the moment. I don't know if it was always intentional with Holyfield with the headbutts. I think sometimes it was, others, it seemed accidental to me. In his fight with Bobby Czyz, Bobby complained about his eyes burning too and that caused the TKO stoppage, so there was probably some shenanigans involved there.

[BigStereotype]

Yeah, no doubt that Panama Lewis is the dirtiest mother****er ever to step even near a boxing ring not named Don King.

[JAB5239]

What do you know about Battling Nelson? Did you ever see him fight??????

I can't claim to know a whole lot about Nelson, but his reputation precedes him. The only fights I've seen of his are on youtube vs Joe Gans and Owen Moran.

[BattlingNelson]

I can't claim to know a whole lot about Nelson, but his reputation precedes him. The only fights I've seen of his are on youtube vs Joe Gans and Owen Moran.

TheGreatA posted vids of his fights with Ad Wolgast and Jimmy Britt. Sadly these fights are deleted from youtube now.

Topic: Saddler and Bat Nelson was 2 of the dirtiest ever.

[elfag]

Ali was great, but he was dirty like few others. I was waiting for him to get brought up, actually. He would hold behind the head, thumb eyes, all sorts of nasty tricks.

Ali was terrible with that head holding **** in the foreman fight. Foreman never complained and the ref could care less.

I mean he gets credit for pulling off the upset when hes past his best but he had to do all the tricks even blatantly illegal ones. Its a major fight historically but I dont ever watch it cause its a very ugly fight