Dirtiest Fighter Ever?

[JAB5239]

I never denied Holy's dirty deeds.All I said was that his "butting" offences have been a little exaggerated,in my view.And that I hadn't really noticed them in fights like so many others seem to do.


Perhaps I was too busy watching the the brilliance of the Holy one to pay attention.



With simple,plain fighters like Frazier,it's alot easier to take notice of their infractions.

No, you said "I think in terms of blatant 'ball busting' and 'leading with the head',Joe Frazier definately deserves a mention." You say this as if its even comparable to Holyfields dirty tactics when everybody knows it isn't. If you'd care to make a wager I'd be more than happy to accommodate you. Or is this just more of your trolling?

[JAB5239]

TheGreatA posted vids of his fights with Ad Wolgast and Jimmy Britt. Sadly these fights are deleted from youtube now.

Topic: Saddler and Bat Nelson was 2 of the dirtiest ever.

In hindsight I do believe I saw his fight with Wolgast, but can't be certain. Much of my knowledge of him actually comes from you my friend.

[Calilloyd]

Who's the dirtiest fighter you ever saw? Duran famously knocked out Ken Buchanan with a low-blow, but I really thought of this because I just watched Casamayor-Castillo. That was a low-blow, hold-and-hit, headbutting festival.

Mustafa Hamsho

[prinzemanspopa]

No, you said "I think in terms of blatant 'ball busting' and 'leading with the head',Joe Frazier definately deserves a mention." You say this as if its even comparable to Holyfields dirty tactics when everybody knows it isn't. If you'd care to make a wager I'd be more than happy to accommodate you. Or is this just more of your trolling?

You're right,it's not comparable - Frazier's more dirty than Holyfield is.


Frazier did continually lead with his head,and he did continually hit well below the belt.These weren't just isolated incidents,this is how he fought and won fights.



What's your obsession with wanting to make wagers everytime a disagreement pops up?


Linked to a possible gamling problem of your own,perhaps?

[Smokin'J]

You're right,it's not comparable - Frazier's more dirty than Holyfield is.


Frazier did continually lead with his head,and he did continually hit well below the belt.These weren't just isolated incidents,this is how he fought and won fights.



What's your obsession with wanting to make wagers everytime a disagreement pops up?


Linked to a possible gamling problem of your own,perhaps?

What about you and your hate against Joe Frazier?
Seems like everytime a thread pops up about a negative thing of a fighter you always have something negative to say about Joe

[JAB5239]

You're right,it's not comparable - Frazier's more dirty than Holyfield is.

Back your words up with some proof.

Frazier did continually lead with his head,and he did continually hit well below the belt.These weren't just isolated incidents,this is how he fought and won fights.

Really? Which fights did he win in this manner and name the fighters who complained about Frazier being dirty.

What's your obsession with wanting to make wagers everytime a disagreement pops up?

Whats your obsession with being to frightened to wager e-points or sigs?

Linked to a possible gamling problem of your own,perhaps?

Yeah, you got me! I have an addiction to ******** with imaginary e-points. I wouldn't call it a problem though since I can't lose.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Cool. Yeah I heard something about Trinidad, but I haven't gotten to his career set yet. So what was he known for? Loaded hand wraps? What were they loaded with?

The issue about Trinidad's gloves before the Hopkins fight has been touched by many around NSB and on the net. Some tried to excuse the wraps saying they were not illegal on many states and so forth. I worked with the cousin who use to be Trinidad's promoter in Puerto Rico and he told me himself that Trinidad's dad was the master of how to wrap gloves while being officially not dubbed "loaded."

Here is from another Post:
"It was alleged by the Hopkins camp that Trinidad had too much padding and tape on his hands and that he dipped his hands in ice water with the padding and tape. When the hand wraps dried, it would become as hard as a cast. The Trinidad camp argued they had always wrapped his hands in this manner. The New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC), agreeing with the Hopkins camp, ordered the Trinidad camp to re-wrap Trinidad’s hands. If I’m not mistaken, Trinidad’s hands had to be re-wrapped two more times until the NYSAC and the Hopkins camp were satisfied they were legally wrapped. Trinidad became so upset that he even threatened to pull out of the fight. Once Trinidad hand wraps were given the OK, he went out and fought Bernard Hopkins and lost by knockout. This was his first career loss."

I myself became su****ious while watching him fight early on and i spend plenty of time in PR when Trinidad was young and coming up the ranks. Many years later he knocked out William Joppy a guy who NEVER was knocked out at that time. This also was him moving up in weight, and guys before and after, tried to hit Joppy with the Kitchen sink and not knock him out. I think Joppy only kod once more in his career after Trinidad. The fact that he made a big deal about re-wrapping adds fuel to the story.

Trinidad was known for low blows as well. I haven't seen his fights with Vargas and Mayorga in years, but check out what happened. He got knockdown by Vargas in Rd 4 and when Vagas comes in for the kill than Tito hits him with a low blow to slow down the momentum. When he was having trouble with finishing Mayorga he hit him low twice, the second time Steven Smoger didn't even give Mayorga rest time or 5 mins, so Trinidad would finish him round 8.

Also the DLH fight there were several times that Tito hit after the bell, no points taken away, if one point had been taken away than DLH would have gotten a draw.

[prinzemanspopa]

Back your words up with some proof.


Really? Which fights did he win in this manner and name the fighters who complained about Frazier being dirty.

I know Oscar Bonavena's camp complained about Frazier's ball busting prior to his rematch with Frazier.Fighters didn't really complain as much about headbutts and low blows back then.


Frazier was a dirty fighter.Asking for proof that he is more dirty than Holyfield is ridiculous.You can only have an opinion on that matter.

Yeah, you got me! I have an addiction to ******** with imaginary e-points. I wouldn't call it a problem though since I can't lose.

Throwing out some little E-wager everytime there's a disagreement is certainly a cause for concern.



You can run out money but you can't run out of E-points,huh?

[frankenfrank]

TheGreatA posted vids of his fights with Ad Wolgast and Jimmy Britt. Sadly these fights are deleted from youtube now.

Topic: Saddler and Bat Nelson was 2 of the dirtiest ever.

Why are they deleted from youtube now?

[TBear]

We could name many, and this has become, a field day! Any of us could look at any fighter's career and include tactics from their fights that were or could be considered dirty. There is not on champion in history that is immune to this. Many fighters listed were nore dirty fighters in my opinion.