Roy Jones vs James Toney: How could Toney of won this?

[Toney616]

To be honest the Johnson strategy executed by Johnson himself wouldn't have worked with prime Roy (circa 1994), but it was perfect for the post Ruiz Roy.

Good point

Toney wasn't an aggressive, pressuring volume puncher. Such a strategy requires a ridiculous level of fitness...........never Toney's strength. Toney was a master craftsman, who liked to pick his spots and work at his own pace. I cant see any version Toney winning this one at super middleweight.

Thanks for this and all of your other contributions to this thread

[Sugarj]

Cheers bud!

[them_apples]

Jones definently hit harder than Toney, speed often equals power. If Jones hit you and you saw it coming it often still didn't matter.

I'm just going to say Jones was simply that good back then. A prime Roy is almost impossible to beat. I'd give Hagler a shot at MW, I gave B-hop a shot too but he couldn't do it even though he put up a good fight. Haglers chance would be if he pressured Roy like a mad dog like he did against Hearns. Only thing is Roy was a quicker and more elusive fighter than Hearns although he probably didn't pack the same punch even at MW.

[Toney616]

Jones definently hit harder than Toney, speed often equals power. If Jones hit you and you saw it coming it often still didn't matter.

My stance as well

I'm just going to say Jones was simply that good back then. A prime Roy is almost impossible to beat. I'd give Hagler a shot at MW, I gave B-hop a shot too but he couldn't do it even though he put up a good fight. Haglers chance would be if he pressured Roy like a mad dog like he did against Hearns. Only thing is Roy was a quicker and more elusive fighter than Hearns although he probably didn't pack the same punch even at MW.

I think Jones would shut B-hop down, similar to the way he shut Toney down

Hagler struggled with guys who had good foot speed, there was a Afro-Mexican guy he fought after his first Antefurmo fight who gave Hagler a hard time.

I think the guy who has the best chance of beating Jones might be a focused Micheal Nunn

[Toney616]

Cheers bud!

no problemo

[Main Source]

Toney being hooked up to an I.V. before the fight would tell you that he's in bad shape...as it happened against Jones. I'm not questioning Jones' win but the fight was dull. Toney's body was softer than ever before. He was in bad shape.

I still don't know why Jones wouldn't asnwer any questions about a rematch with Toney though.

[phallus]

toney would have to fight roy at a higher weight, much higher, i don't see him having much of a chance at 168, because of the speed and workrate advantange that jones has. the winnable fight for toney is to fight roy at 190+ lbs after he fought john ruiz, the cruiserweight / hw toney has the best chance because roy will be slower and less active from bulking up and can be caught clean in counters. if both weighed 200 lbs the speed difference between roy and james isn't as much

[r.burgundy]

I can only think of a couple of times, he was able to time him

It was Jones's speed more than his workrate that was giving Toney trouble

No, they were talking about him moving up to light heavyweight

no.they were talking about heavyweight.they said he was weighing around 200 before training and had to drain about 17 lbs a day before the fight.if your fighting at 168 and have to drop over 10 lbs your not making 175 either

[frankenfrank]

Whose fault is that, Jones's or Toney's? This was the biggest fight of his life, it was his job to get in shape. I don't ever remember him complaining after getting a win over Tiberi, when he was in worse shape.

Its Toney's job to keep in shape, not Jones and his team

Whomever job it was , Jones benefitted the luxury of fighting a drained Toney.

Toney had a rematach clause in the original contract, but chose not to exercise it

because he could not make 168 , I wonder what that contract stipulated , probably a rematch at 168.

Toney

No. Toney was not in shape even relatively for him , a strict lie regarding my question.

Hopkins

Some will say Hopkins was green against him , but anyway , it was a lousy fight , with no decisive outcome whatsoever , what Jones proved in that fight
is he can last the distance against a fighter whom was not meant to lose against him , that's all.

Tarver*3

and lost twice , once as convincingly as possible , did not really win even once.

Griffin*2

and yet again fought an even fight in the first , and his team made sure Griffin
will not be prepared for the second.

Even if Toney wasn't drained, he would of lost the same way.

Wrong.

Also the thing you seem to forget is that even Kallen said that Toney was confident before the fight, It was only after the fight that he started with all of his excuses. He was in terrible shape against Tiberi, I don't remember him complaining after he got his gift win

And he had troubles making the weight even for Drake Thadzi at 175 , except then he could not even make the higher limit , so what does it suggest regarding Toney's try to make 168 for the last time ?

Stop the hating dude

Just stating facts.

[Toney616]

Toney being hooked up to an I.V. before the fight would tell you that he's in bad shape...as it happened against Jones. I'm not questioning Jones' win but the fight was dull.

I quite enjoyed it, especailly the TVKO version, with Joe Goosen commentating

Toney's body was softer than ever before. He was in bad shape.

That was because he rehydrated 18 lbs

I still don't know why Jones wouldn't asnwer any questions about a rematch with Toney though.

There was a rematch clause in the contract, it was Toney who refused to excercise it.

At lhw Jones was only interested in defending against his mandatoires and picking up belts. Toney would of had to get a belt or better yet work his way up to be Jones no 1 contender.