Klitschko brothers vs These fighters

[Jim Jeffries]

The fighter we see in that video is earnie Terrel who was 6' 6½" A better comparison than Chris Bird who fought in a completely different style, as well as lacking the skillset of ALi.

So what you're saying is the 210 lb Terrell, who lost a shutout to the 5'11', 200 lb Thad Spencer just 6 months later, is a clone of Wlad, who undoubtedly has one of the 5 best HW jabs of all time?

Mmmmmkay.

[Vadrigar.]

So what you're saying is the 210 lb Terrell, who lost a shutout to the 5'11', 200 lb Thad Spencer just 6 months later, is a clone of Wlad, who undoubtedly has one of the 5 best HW jabs of all time?

Mmmmmkay.

Notice how he lost later and only one fight afterwards. He took extreme punishment in the ALi fight which had an effect on the subsequent performance.

Even so, I never claimed it was a clone of Wlad. I just posted the video to show that Ali was elusive even against a taller opponent. Ali's jab is rated even higher than Wlad. Arguably first or second only to Larry Holmes.

[Jim Jeffries]

I never claimed it was a clone of Wlad. I just posted the video to show that Ali was elusive even against a taller opponent. Ali's jab is rated even higher than Wlad. Arguably first or second only to Larry Holmes.

You can't dismiss Byrd as evidence that Wlad is capable of landing his jab on an elusive opponent, but then use Terrell as evidence that Wlad's jab would be completely ineffective against Ali.

We all know Ali, Liston and Holmes have great jabs. Doesn't mean they won't have any trouble with Wlad's.

Obviously if Wlad doesn't have any success with the jab and doesn't throw many times his usual left hooks (his best power punch IMO,) then he doesn't have any chance against Ali. I personally think he will, not enough to win, but enough to make the fight competitive.

[Vadrigar.]

You can't dismiss Byrd as evidence that Wlad is capable of landing his jab on an elusive opponent, but then use Terrell as evidence that Wlad's jab would be completely ineffective against Ali.

We all know Ali, Liston and Holmes have great jabs. Doesn't mean they won't have any trouble with Wlad's.

Obviously if Wlad doesn't have any success with the jab and doesn't throw many times his usual left hooks (his best power punch IMO,) then he doesn't have any chance against Ali. I personally think he will, not enough to win, but enough to make the fight competitive.

Notice how he lost later and only one fight afterwards. He took extreme punishment in the ALi fight which had an effect on the subsequent performance.

Byrd is elusive but fights in a completely different style than ALi. You can't compare the elusiveness of Ali and byrd. Ali is elusive in his own way. Byrds jab is nowhere close to ALi's. The pace that Byrd was fighting at was horrendous compare to the pace Ali sets for against his opponents. Wlad would have much less time to think.

Byrd has a shorter reach than ALi and he is shorter in height. Wlad was finding it easy to land because the target was directly below him, but when he fights Ali the positioning of the target would verticaly increase. This gives Ali opportunities to create openings and punish Wlad with right hand counters. Perfect to neutralise Wlads left hook from the inside.

The video was not posted to show that Wlads jab would be ineffective. It was posted to show that Wlad would not be able to land it as regularly as he does on most of his opponents. Therefore the reach advantage would be non existent.

Chris byrd doesn't have the ring generalship of Ali; he was just standing in front of wlad in the fight and being the aggressor. Something Ali will not do. Notice that Byrd evades punches in a completely different way than Ali. Ali's reflexes are also better and he has better head movement than Byrd. This is essential to offset a good jab.

I do agree the fight will most likely be competitive. I never claimed it was going to be a shut-out. You aslo have to take into account that Ali's jab output would be higher than Wlads so there is a greater chance of ALi beating him to the punch. Wlad would have to be careful of his stamina.

Both fighters have top jabs and I think this will be the main punch thrown in the fight from both fighters.

"We all know Ali, Liston and Holmes have great jabs. Doesn't mean they won't have any trouble with Wlad's." - It's evidence to suggest that Wlad would also have trouble with their jabs, because the reach advantage will be non-existent. It's a two way traffic.

[Cassius Liston]

Muhammad Ali beats Vitali via decision but loses a decision to Wlad.
Larry Holmes loses a decision to both Klitschkos.
George foreman loses a decision to both Klitschkos.
Joe frazier wouldn't sign a contract to fight either - unrealistic fantasy fight
Sonny Liston beats Vitali via a decision and gets knocked out by Wlad.



Ken Norton would be stopped by both Klitschkos.
Ron Lyle gets stopped by both Klitschkos.
Earnie Shavers gets stopped by both Klitschkos.
Jerry Quarry gets stopped on his feet by both Klitschkos.

But Frazier signs to fight foreman twice...you're an idiot

[StarshipTrooper]

By sticking a jab in his face for 15 rounds, and not getting hit back.

That only works against fighters Wlad has a big reach advantage against.....ie. practically ALL his opponents. Against Ali that reach advantage is non-existent, as it would be if Wlad were fighting Holmes or Liston as well.

Poet

[Cassius Liston]

Ali would Counter Wlad or Vitali all night long.....it would be a total shut-out

[knn]

Even so, I never claimed it was a clone of Wlad. I just posted the video to show that Ali was elusive even against a taller opponent. Ali's jab is rated even higher than Wlad. Arguably first or second only to Larry Holmes.

What you just showed is that you compared Wlad (who is one of the hardest hitting punchers of all times, 80%+) with Terrell (who is one of the MOST FEATHERFISTY opponents with a KORatio of 24% against 200+ opponents). He is even featherfisitier than Clay (40%) and Byrd (50%).

There is not a single opponent of Ali who would compare physique-wise + KO-wise + experience-wise with Wladimir Klitschko. Not a single one.

Prime Ali on the other hand is a completely and utterly standard opponent for Klitschko: Not hard hitting, only 6'3''.

The only exception would be Ali's weight (Ali's median weight in the 1960ies was 200lbs) which is SUB-standard for Klitschko and that Ali is a former light-heavyweight. Wlad boxed against 8 opponents who boxed <= 175 in their careers. He KOed all of them.

Maybe Ali could distract Wlad for a few rounds when he is doing his typical "clownin and krumpin" (= floating like a butterfly and mouthing like an ape) but so far nobody withstands Wlad's punishment. Ali was KDed by far lesser men than Klitschko.

Wlad TKO6 Ali. And Wlad wouldn't even sweat.

Please remember that They called Foreman "Big George Foreman" and Foreman was 210+ lbs and 6'3.5''. Anything like Wlad the world hasn't seen in the *cough* golden age.

[knn]

That only works against fighters Wlad has a big reach advantage against.....ie. practically ALL his opponents. Against Ali that reach advantage is non-existent, as it would be if Wlad were fighting Holmes or Liston as well.

Poet

Ali has reach 80'' and Wlad 81''. moreover you have to add the shoulder motility and the body height to calculate the reach perimeter.

Moreover Wlad fought 6x against fighters with the reach of Ali (or reachier). He KOed all of them.

[StarshipTrooper]

(= floating like a butterfly and mouthing like an ape)

Reported for racism. You finally showed your cards: Your crusade against past Heavyweights has everything to do with their having the "wrong" pigmentation and/or lacking "ski", "sko", or "ov" at the end of their names. Thank you for finally revealing your true colors.

Poet