Floyd Mayweather's new place in history...

[HaglerSteelChin]

I wouldn't compare the Ali that fought Holmes to the Mosley we saw last night. Shane is still very sharp and is more than capable of beating anybody in the welterweight game.

He was lost in there mentally, not so much physically. Floyd broke him down mentally to the point where you could see that Shane had no idea what to do. It reminded me of when he lost to De La Hoya and he was almost in tears and telling his dad "I don't know what to do."

That was a great fighter who was frustrated by a far superior boxer. I still think Shane beats most of the guys out there at 147 and this is just a testament to how great Floyd really is.

I don't think Shane at any point in his career could deal with Floyd, because the Shane of last night looked as sharp as the Shane that fought DLH the second time, he just couldn't deal with Floyd's style.

Accurate post and good analysis. People keep saying Shane is 38 Shane is 38 Shane is 38........ I guess Floyd is like 22 years old? Floyd is 33 and this was only his second fight after a nearly 2 year hiatus. Let's give credit where credit is due. People said Marquez is not your size but he beat Mosley is taller and has a reach advantage. Mosley still can beat many guys out there. In fact, that is the same Mosley who called out pac and got no return calls despitel willing to fight Pac at 140.

Nonetheless, as i said it's not a great win but a very solid win. Beating guys like Bradley, Pac, or Berto are great mainly since two of those guys are undefeated and the other is considered by many to be Number 1 pound per pound.

[The Tase]

I wouldn't compare the Ali that fought Holmes to the Mosley we saw last night. Shane is still very sharp and is more than capable of beating anybody in the welterweight game.

He was lost in there mentally, not so much physically. Floyd broke him down mentally to the point where you could see that Shane had no idea what to do. It reminded me of when he lost to De La Hoya and he was almost in tears and telling his dad "I don't know what to do."

That was a great fighter who was frustrated by a far superior boxer. I still think Shane beats most of the guys out there at 147 and this is just a testament to how great Floyd really is.

I don't think Shane at any point in his career could deal with Floyd, because the Shane of last night looked as sharp as the Shane that fought DLH the second time, he just couldn't deal with Floyd's style.

how you figure that? shane after 3 rounds was done. floyd arguably lost to castillo at 135. lightweight shane would have murked castillo. he wouldnt need to justify his first alleged win with a rematch.

[StarshipTrooper]

I wouldn't compare the Ali that fought Holmes to the Mosley we saw last night. Shane is still very sharp and is more than capable of beating anybody in the welterweight game.

What Shane were you watching? A good second round doesn't equal "very sharp".

He was lost in there mentally, not so much physically. Floyd broke him down mentally to the point where you could see that Shane had no idea what to do. It reminded me of when he lost to De La Hoya and he was almost in tears and telling his dad "I don't know what to do."

That's what happens to a fighter when his reflexes are gone and he can't pull the trigger anymore against a quicker opponent.

That was a great fighter who was frustrated by a far superior boxer. I still think Shane beats most of the guys out there at 147 and this is just a testament to how great Floyd really is.

No. Just no. Shane is not, I repeat NOT a great fighter at this stage of his career. This isn't a case of Floyd making an in-prime great LOOK old, at this point Mosley IS old.

I don't think Shane at any point in his career could deal with Floyd, because the Shane of last night looked as sharp as the Shane that fought DLH the second time, he just couldn't deal with Floyd's style.

We'll never know because we never saw them fight at a point where their primes overlapped. That window closed years ago.

PS. Responding to Steelchin: 33 is still within margin of error for a fighter's prime, especially when that fighter hasn't been in any wars. Shane is 38 which is past the point where a fighter is recognized as being in-prime especially when you consider Mosley HAS been in his share of wars. Only freaks like Hopkins and Moore fought at a world class level at 38 and even they couldn't be said to still be in-prime. Shane isn't one of those freaks.

Poet

[The Tase]

What Shane were you watching? A good second round doesn't equal "very sharp".




That's what happens to a fighter when his reflexes are gone and he can't pull the trigger anymore against a quicker opponent.




No. Just no. Shane is not, I repeat NOT a great fighter at this stage of his career. This isn't a case of Floyd making an in-prime great LOOK old, at this point Mosley IS old.




We'll never know because we never saw them fight at a point where their primes overlapped. That window closed years ago.

PS. Responding to Steelchin: 33 is still within margin of error for a fighter's prime, especially when that fighter hasn't been in any wars. Shane is 38 which is past the point where a fighter is recognized as being in-prime especially when you consider Mosley HAS been in his share of wars. Only freaks like Hopkins and Moore fought at a world class level at 38 and even they couldn't be said to still be in-prime. Shane isn't one of those freaks.

Poet

shane mosley 2 fights ago struggled vs a carcass known as ricardo mayorga. shane has been out of prime for years now.

[CarlosG815]

how you figure that? shane after 3 rounds was done. floyd arguably lost to castillo at 135. lightweight shane would have murked castillo. he wouldnt need to justify his first alleged win with a rematch.

Bull****, Shane was LOST. He wasn't tired. He wasn't done. He wasn't "unable to pull the trigger." He was straight up LOST in the ring. Like a guy thrown into a brand new job with no idea what exactly he has to do. That'd be like me throwing you into a construction site and telling you to build a house.

You know you need to build the house, but you haven't even a CLUE where to start, and that's what we saw last night. Shane Mosley: LOST.

[CarlosG815]

What Shane were you watching? A good second round doesn't equal "very sharp".




That's what happens to a fighter when his reflexes are gone and he can't pull the trigger anymore against a quicker opponent.




No. Just no. Shane is not, I repeat NOT a great fighter at this stage of his career. This isn't a case of Floyd making an in-prime great LOOK old, at this point Mosley IS old.




We'll never know because we never saw them fight at a point where their primes overlapped. That window closed years ago.

PS. Responding to Steelchin: 33 is still within margin of error for a fighter's prime, especially when that fighter hasn't been in any wars. Shane is 38 which is past the point where a fighter is recognized as being in-prime especially when you consider Mosley HAS been in his share of wars. Only freaks like Hopkins and Moore fought at a world class level at 38 and even they couldn't be said to still be in-prime. Shane isn't one of those freaks.

Poet

Reflexes are gone? Poet, you're not insisting that Shane's speed is comparable to Floyd at any point in his career are you? Shane was able to pull the trigger just fine, it's just every time his body gave off the notion that he was going to fire, Mayweather had a lightning fast right hand landing on his face.

OK, OK, Shane lost a close, long fight to Miguel Cotto. That mean's he's not sharp anymore, even though he dismantled Margarito in spectacular prime looking fashion? Just because you feel Margarito is overrated, the fact is this: Margarito is one of the better ww's out there and Shane made him look silly. There is no evidence, prior to last night, to suggest that Shane is past it, as you believe.

Let's not leave out the fact that Mosley has no jab. He fought a one handed fight last night.

It was lack of jab, lack of game plan, and the fact that after the second round, Floyd turned the tables and put the fight back into his corner and had totally emasculated Shane and made him feel hopeless.

Shane was a lost boy in never land last night.

I know you don't like Floyd, Poet, and that goes against your unbias analysis. What we saw last night was a testament to how great Floyd is. I don't like it anymore than you do (not a Floyd fan), but let's not try to make that fight into something it wasn't by suggesting it's like an old washed Ali getting plowed by Holmes.

[DeepSleep]

No. Just no. Shane is not, I repeat NOT a great fighter at this stage of his career. This isn't a case of Floyd making an in-prime great LOOK old, at this point Mosley IS old.

While I'll agree that the Shane we watched last night wasn't prime Shane Mosley I think he was still the best WW not named Pacquaio or Williams at the current time (Make an argument for Berto but I think he is still a bit too rough around the edges). Given that PacMan doesn't want to be bullied into the super fight and P.Williams is campaigning at 154 - 160 who else could Floyd fight who was better? The only other WW's that can be put on the top level is Berto(Too Green), Clottey(1- Dimensional), Cotto (Never been the same since the Margarito Fight).

[The Tase]

Bull****, Shane was LOST. He wasn't tired. He wasn't done. He wasn't "unable to pull the trigger." He was straight up LOST in the ring. Like a guy thrown into a brand new job with no idea what exactly he has to do. That'd be like me throwing you into a construction site and telling you to build a house.

You know you need to build the house, but you haven't even a CLUE where to start, and that's what we saw last night. Shane Mosley: LOST.

Reflexes are gone? Poet, you're not insisting that Shane's speed is comparable to Floyd at any point in his career are you? Shane was able to pull the trigger just fine, it's just every time his body gave off the notion that he was going to fire, Mayweather had a lightning fast right hand landing on his face.

OK, OK, Shane lost a close, long fight to Miguel Cotto. That mean's he's not sharp anymore, even though he dismantled Margarito in spectacular prime looking fashion? Just because you feel Margarito is overrated, the fact is this: Margarito is one of the better ww's out there and Shane made him look silly. There is no evidence, prior to last night, to suggest that Shane is past it, as you believe.

Let's not leave out the fact that Mosley has no jab. He fought a one handed fight last night.

It was lack of jab, lack of game plan, and the fact that after the second round, Floyd turned the tables and put the fight back into his corner and had totally emasculated Shane and made him feel hopeless.

Shane was a lost boy in never land last night.

I know you don't like Floyd, Poet, and that goes against your unbias analysis. What we saw last night was a testament to how great Floyd is. I don't like it anymore than you do (not a Floyd fan), but let's not try to make that fight into something it wasn't by suggesting it's like an old washed Ali getting plowed by Holmes.

this;

Just as i suspected, shane is past it & couldnt pull the trigger. Just as i suspected, a physically & mentally shot margarito made shane better than he actually is.

After a couple rounds of looking good shane completely dropped off in his aggression, workrate, & stamina. Its the classic example of a old shot fighter fighting an elite fighter.

See:

Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins - after doing well in the first half of the fight knocking down calzaghe, the 2nd half of the fight everything slowed down for hopkins & he had to be relegated to faking injuries just to stave off a slapper. He was 43.

Joe Calzaghe vs Roy JOnes jr. - after doing well the first couple rounds & also knocking down Calzaghe, jones fell off the cliff. everything went down. his aggression, activity, strength, stamina went down hill. He went into a defensive shell & laid on the ropes the rest of the fight. He was 39.

Manny Pacquiao vs Oscar Hoya - after having life in the first couple of rounds, he was cooked & done. He laid on the ropes & couldnt pull the trigger anymore. Everything shut down. He was 35.


Now lets go to Shane vs Floyd. He was doing great the first couple of rounds, hurting floyd & almost knocking him down then the 2nd half of the fight he completely gassed. The physicall toll of not having fought took over his body. He was gassed by the 5th-6th round. He was just in a defensive shell the rest of the fight. Even that round that he hurt floyd in he couldnt finish him off because he already blew his load the first half of the round.

See Joel Casamayor vs Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz was off over a year & it showed in the fight. He should have never been outboxed by a slugging plodder like santa cruz. He was 37.

In conclusion, the common denominator all the fighters i have described is that they are all way past prime & their age & similar fate in the ring vs a younger fighters proved it. They couldnt pull the trigger because they were past prime & shot.


It is a very good win for floyd. Not a great one. It says a lot about Floyd's career that his best win came against a 39 year old fighter who hasnt fought in over a year & a half.

We will see how great of a win this is by seeing how many more fights shane wins. If shane beats some more elite fighters then our opinions based on facts are wrong & your opinion based on opinion were right.

[StarshipTrooper]

I know you don't like Floyd, Poet, and that goes against your unbias analysis. What we saw last night was a testament to how great Floyd is. I don't like it anymore than you do (not a Floyd fan), but let's not try to make that fight into something it wasn't by suggesting it's like an old washed Ali getting plowed by Holmes.

I never suggested Floyd wasn't a great fighter.....far from it. What I AM suggesting is that last night's fight shouldn't be used as proof of it. I'm being objective here: If I wanted to slam Floyd I certainly could, if for no other reason than to piss off *****s. Not my style to do that in the aftermath of a fight though: I prefer to keep a keen head and break it down as I see it without getting carried away with the emotionalism of the moment.

Let me ask YOU something? Are you in any way suggesting that Shane at 38 has the reflexes and quickness he had at 30? Come on man, you know better than that! Floyd won't have his either at 38 assuming he's still fighting at that age. Roy Jones' were gone at completely at age 34: That's why he got had out of body experiences against Tarver and Johnson. It happens like that.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

While I'll agree that the Shane we watched last night wasn't prime Shane Mosley I think he was still the best WW not named Pacquaio or Williams at the current time (Make an argument for Berto but I think he is still a bit too rough around the edges). Given that PacMan doesn't want to be bullied into the super fight and P.Williams is campaigning at 154 - 160 who else could Floyd fight who was better? The only other WW's that can be put on the top level is Berto(Too Green), Clottey(1- Dimensional), Cotto (Never been the same since the Margarito Fight).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing Floyd for taking the fight: As I said earlier it doesn't effect him negatively either. I'm just keeping things in perspective here. Shane hangs around the top of the Welter rankings for two reasons: He has name recognition; and, the division is deep right now, it isn't that strong at the top.

Poet