Floyd Mayweather's new place in history...

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm not suggesting that at all. What I'm saying is, Shane is faster than any other welterweight in the game right now, and he is far from slow. You can't deny that - the dude looks spectacular every time he fights and has never been so outright dominated! He may not be as fast, but what he lacks in speed today is made up for in more knowledge, experience, and access to better training and camp.

I wouldn't say Shane looks spectacular every time out: He's certainly delivered some clunkers here and there. You also have to consider the opponent too: Roy Jones looked great (and fast) against a washed up Tito Trinidad but look what happend against Calzaghe! I'm also rather dubious about how much knowledge and experience can make up for degraded reflexes: It can be of service against SOME opponents (Hopkins against Pavlik) but against a really live opponent (say, Hopkins against Taylor)......well, lets just say I'm dubious about it.

I would be surprised to hear ANYBODY come out and say they weren't absolutely SHOCKED to see how bad Mosley got dominated. Nobody could have seen that coming. I was blown away.

Nothing shocks me in boxing. Trust me, when you've watched as many fighters get old as I have you'll start expecting it in fighters at any time once they hit 35.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

I disagree. A win over Pacquiao sometime in the near future is as good as a win over him 2 years ago, and Williams is still prime, so if that fight happens in the next year or 2, that will help his legacy. He hasn't really blew his chances, seeing as he can still fight those fights and if he wins, they're great wins.

Cotto to me isn't on Floyd's level at anytime in his career - that would have been another embarrassing night for Cotto as he'd have had to face his wife and kid after another loss with that big swollen face. Future generations will not even think twice about Floyd not fighting Cotto.

Floyd's own window is closing though. He doesn't have much longer as a prime fighter so if it's going to happen it needs to happen in the next year or two.

Poet

[BKM-]

I disagree. A win over Pacquiao sometime in the near future is as good as a win over him 2 years ago, and Williams is still prime, so if that fight happens in the next year or 2, that will help his legacy. He hasn't really blew his chances, seeing as he can still fight those fights and if he wins, they're great wins.

Cotto to me isn't on Floyd's level at anytime in his career - that would have been another embarrassing night for Cotto as he'd have had to face his wife and kid after another loss with that big swollen face. Future generations will not even think twice about Floyd not fighting Cotto.

Cotto, Williams and Mosley would all be better wins before Floyd retired. Except for maybe Mosley, however there would not have been an age excuse if he was beaten at age 35-36(or better yet, if they had fought quite a few years ago when they were originally supposed to). Although I don't see age as the biggest problem here, most people seem to bring out the excuses now though.

Cotto is considered ruined because of the Margarito and Pacquiao fights.

Williams lost to Quintana and had a questionable showing against Martinez.

They all lost that extra hype that they had about 2-3 years back so I think that other than Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather can't really add that much more to his legacy at this time. Maybe i'm asking too much of him because he couldn't fight them all at the same time lol.
What Floyd can do is dominate for some more years and possibly retire unbeaten. But the damage has been done to his legacy, and it's his own fault.

[Obama]

"the damage has been done"


My god, you people are so ****in ridiculous it's absurd. You all worship Ali yet the man was gone even longer than Floyd was before coming back. What damage got done? The man established his real legacy when he was on the decline. Tell me Floyd can't as well.

[StarshipTrooper]

"the damage has been done"

My god, you people are so ****in ridiculous it's absurd. You all worship Ali yet the man was gone even longer than Floyd was before coming back. What damage got done? The man established his real legacy when he was on the decline. Tell me Floyd can't as well.

Who are the Fraziers, Foremans, Nortons, and Quarrys that Floyd is going to base that post-prime legacy on? Come on *****, you don't need to invest that much emotion into this.

Poet

[BKM-]

"the damage has been done"


My god, you people are so ****in ridiculous it's absurd. You all worship Ali yet the man was gone even longer than Floyd was before coming back. What damage got done? The man established his real legacy when he was on the decline. Tell me Floyd can't as well.

Floyd can't.

Ali had names to beat. Big names, ATG fighters that made him a legend. Who can Floyd beat in the next couple of years that will skyrocket his accomplishments? After Pacquiao(If they ever even fight) there is nobody else. Well, there are, but like I said they would have been great wins for him before he retired.
Now calm down.

[CarlosG815]

I wouldn't say Shane looks spectacular every time out: He's certainly delivered some clunkers here and there. You also have to consider the opponent too: Roy Jones looked great (and fast) against a washed up Tito Trinidad but look what happend against Calzaghe! I'm also rather dubious about how much knowledge and experience can make up for degraded reflexes: It can be of service against SOME opponents (Hopkins against Pavlik) but against a really live opponent (say, Hopkins against Taylor)......well, lets just say I'm dubious about it.




Nothing shocks me in boxing. Trust me, when you've watched as many fighters get old as I have you'll start expecting it in fighters at any time once they hit 35.

Poet

I get your point about his reflexes being slowed with age, but let's not compare a fighter who's style relied 100% on his superhuman reflexes. Mosley isn't a fighter that relies on his reflexes (neither is Hopkins, which is why he can still perform at the level he does in his old age), so that comparison is better suited to Floyd, not Shane, as once Floyd loses his speed and reflexes his career is over.

Mosley is still capable of winning many fights.

[C.Y.]

Bull****, Shane was LOST. He wasn't tired. He wasn't done. He wasn't "unable to pull the trigger." He was straight up LOST in the ring. Like a guy thrown into a brand new job with no idea what exactly he has to do. That'd be like me throwing you into a construction site and telling you to build a house.

You know you need to build the house, but you haven't even a CLUE where to start, and that's what we saw last night. Shane Mosley: LOST.

People are not going to give Floyd Mayweather credit for his victory over Shane

[mickey malone]

I enjoyed the fight.. True to his word, Mosley came out the traps looking for a KO and came as close as gets in the 2nd. A second round which may have showed the blue print on how to beat Floyd Mayweather. A blue print that will be played over and over again by whoever steps in with him next. I dare say Freddie Roach has dissected it 300 times already..
Mosley desperately tried to re-assert himself in the 3rd, but found himself up against a different fighter from the one he'd encountered in the 2nd.. A good right hook to the jaw had exactly the same effect as a lazer switch on a high-tec security system.. The lights came on, a siren bellowed, and the dogs came out..

By the end of the 4th Mosley was huffing and puffing, accompanied by all the text book facial expressions of a fighter getting his butt kicked. By the 6th he was fighting open-mouthed and getting caught with right-hand leads from the orthodox stance of PBF, a sure sign of any ageing fighter. Saying that, I don't think any version of Mosley beats Mayweather, and at age 38, he was only able to land with 15% of his punches, so a prime Mosley would have landed 30% maximum which still wouldn't be enough i'm afraid..

Could a prime Mosley have won by KO?.. I doubt it; the punch that wobbled him in the 2nd was as 'peach' of a right hook you'll ever see, and one of Mosley's finest.. It proves beyond doubt there's nothing wrong with Mayweather's chin.. I think you'd need Tommy Hearns or Ray Robinson's kind of one shot killing power inorder to switch him off for the required amount of time..

As for a new place in history; Poet's analysis is spot on.. This fight should be considered as, 'keeping active with a comfortable victory over a faded ATG,' and nothing too emtional lol.. All i'm hoping for now, is that Pac and Pbf can both stop faffing around by both agreeing a weight and taking a drug test..
Only if this can happen, will we have a fight for the annals of history..

[wmute]

I don't think it either adds or detracts from Floyd. It is what it is: A near shutout of a 38 year old fighter who's best days are just a memory. I get the feeling people where giving WAY too much to Mosely for beating Margarito. Margarito was grossly overrated to begin with: Take away his loaded gloves and he's nothing. What was his claim to fame? Beating Cotto? Cotto's another fighter who's grossly overrated. Now if Floyd had put on that type of performance against Shane 6 or 7 years ago than hell yeah it would boost him big time; but now? Just a keep busy fight against an over-the-hill FORMER great.

Poet

That is simply ridiculous. I guess for you there are only keep busy fights left in boxing with the exception of Mayweather-Pacquiao.