Floyd Mayweather vs Thomas Hearns at 147lb

[bojangles1987]

Hearns by close decision

As usual, everyone here is underestimating Floyd and expecting he would get ktfo early.

Sorry, there is no way Floyd could do anything to consistently win rounds. This is an unfair matchup for him, we're talking one of Floyd Mayweather's last weights he has or will fight at, and pitting him against one of the most physically freakish fighters that ever fought there. Not to mention that physically freakish fighter is a tremendous boxer with one of the hardest right hands in boxing history.

Floyd would get knocked out.

[BennyST]

If there was one fight in which I could definitely see Mayweather getting stopped, it's this one.

However, I don't think he would. I see this going along the lines of: Hearns starts fast and catches Mayweather early with his power and speed before Mayweather has a chance to fully adjust to the speed and power of the right and left hands. I see him being quite badly hurt/staggered and even dropped by a series or flurry of punches after taking one big one and being dazed, but he gets up and somehow makes it through the first four rounds while losing every one of those early rounds just trying to stay out of range and defend against Tommy's barrages.

Hearns then slows down on power punching and brawling and gets into a boxing rhythm as Mayweather starts to adjust and stops being hit with the big shots. It becomes a chess match from here on out, but Mayweather simply doesn't have the necessary power and offensive capabilities to wear Hearns down or stop him and Hearns has the reach, speed and legs to outbox Mayweather sticking him with his jab and keeping him at the end of those long arms of his and occasionally sneaking in a big right hand to the top or temple as Mayweather is that little bit too slow to fully get that shoulder up and his head down. On the ropes Tommy also lands some brutal left hooks to the body that take some steam out of Mayweather too.

I see the fight being a clear UD for Hearns. Due to the height, reach, power, speed and boxing ability of Hearns I see this as being a fight that Mayweather just does not have the necessary physical tools to win. If he was a natural MW or something, then yes, but even that would be a hard fight for him as Hearns would be for anyone in history who's game is pure boxing.

Mayweather struggles to land his bread and butter counters, not being able to get past the reach of Tommy's arms. Although his own reach is quite significant for his size, Tommy's height and his ability to fight at his full height and reach advantage make this a very difficult fight for Mayweather to adjust to, and although the second half is much better for him he never gets into any kind of fight in which he is comfortable or able to do anything more than land here and there. Hearns misses a lot, especially in the second half, but the early rounds in which Hearns starts out fast and Mayweather takes those same early rounds to adjust leaves him behind early and through the rest of the fight he never really gets anything going offensively and while Hearns never dominated or anything the punches that do land well are more often for Hearns than they are for Mayweather.

[r.burgundy]

yes you did. you missed the weight classes at which they got their stoppages.

again they have the exact same k.o ratio lol.of course ray is gonna have more k.o's at welter being as how he fought the bulk of his career at welter.ive seen majority of sugars career.he wasnt a big puncher.mayweather has a ton of stoppages at 130/135.that doesnt mean he was a big puncher

[r.burgundy]

That has EVERYTHING to do with this match up. Leonard was a MUCH better offensive fighter at 147 than Floyd, and Hearns proved he was better than Ray. When has Floyd EVER shown the balls to go to war at 147 with anyone, let alone someone like Hearns? Floyd likes to pot shot at this weight. Just see the Baldomir, DLH and Marques fights. NONE of them bring anything to the table close to what Hearns had. Do you disagree with that? Tommy is equal in speed, better in all around offense, and trumps Floyd by miles in power at 147. There should be little doubt Floyd would be covering up in a shell all night long. He simply has nothing to keep Hearns at bay.

how did hearns prove he was better???he got put to sleep.boxing isnt about going to war.its about hitting and not getting hit.and floyd is better at that than hearns or sugar.floyd practices safety 1st unlike sugar who fought to entertain.theirs absolutely no reason whatsoever he couldnt potshot tommy to death.yes i disagree lol.only baldomir was a welter fight.and i dont think hearns could k.o balderthal either.tommy is not = in speed,or all around offense as tommy relies mostly on a right hand,and yes he's miles ahead in power but miles behind in defense.tommy was easy to hit,floyd isnt.floyd didt have anything to keep corrales at bay was every equal the puncher tommy was at 135,look how that turned out

[StarshipTrooper]

and i dont think hearns could k.o balderthal either.tommy is not = in speed,or all around offense as tommy relies mostly on a right hand,and yes he's miles ahead in power but miles behind in defense.tommy was easy to hit,floyd isnt.floyd didt have anything to keep corrales at bay was every equal the puncher tommy was at 135,look how that turned out

More proof he's seen VERY little of Tommy Hearns.

theirs absolutely no reason whatsoever he couldnt potshot tommy to death.yes i disagree lol.only baldomir was a welter fight.

Other than the fact that the way fights were scored when Hearns was in his prime wasn't conducive to "pot shotting" one's way to victory. Pot shotting lost you rounds back then.

Poet

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again they have the exact same k.o ratio lol.of course ray is gonna have more k.o's at welter being as how he fought the bulk of his career at welter.ive seen majority of sugars career.he wasnt a big puncher.mayweather has a ton of stoppages at 130/135.that doesnt mean he was a big puncher

sigh, so?


Mayweather stopped people 130-40 (no true welter has even been put on his ass by Mayweather -until today at least-, only two 140ers moving up).

Leonard was legitimately hurting and stopping people at 147-154.

Mayweather fought 3 ppl at 47-54 who were at some point legit welters. He did not get close to hurt them with a single punch. Although I believe Judah was going to get done by accumulation of punches

By the above we can conclude that Leonard hits harder.

It's simple. which part of the above you don't agree with?

[r.burgundy]

sigh, so?


Mayweather stopped people 130-40 (no true welter has even been put on his ass by Mayweather -until today at least-, only two 140ers moving up).

Leonard was legitimately hurting and stopping people at 147-154.

Mayweather fought 3 ppl at 47-54 who were at some point legit welters. He did not get close to hurt them with a single punch. Although I believe Judah was going to get done by accumulation of punches

By the above we can conclude that Leonard hits harder.

It's simple. which part of the above you don't agree with?

thats cause its the weight he fought majority of his career.

thats cause its the weight he fought majority of his career.
at their career weights,they have similar power.if your asking if ray hits harder than floyd at 147 i say yes.but its not by some huge gap.

i dont think ray leonard would come close to stopping balderthol,and its unlikely he could stop oscar

[Bushidō]

Who would win and how?

I would have to lean hearns but its hard to count Mayweather out. I'd like to see Mayweather vs. Williams or someone that tall just to see what it would look like. I know they don't fight the same but the height difference would just be huge.

[JAB5239]

how did hearns prove he was better???he got put to sleep.boxing isnt about going to war.

Are you suggesting Hearns didn't prove he was a better BOXER than Leonard? If so Ron, you haven't watched his fights with Leonard. He may have got knocked out, but it was BECAUSE Leonard could brawl and force his will on another elite fighter. And boxing is about adjustments and winning. When has Floyd shown the ability to make adjustments at 147 the way Leonard did against Hearns?

its about hitting and not getting hit.and floyd is better at that than hearns or sugar.floyd practices safety 1st unlike sugar who fought to entertain.theirs absolutely no reason whatsoever he couldnt potshot tommy to death.yes i disagree lol.

Floyd is better at not getting hit, I agree. But in no way, shape or form is he better at hitting. Wifred Benitez was better defensively than Floyd and better offensively at 147 and up and Hearns beat him. How could you believe lil Floyd who only opens up on inferior opponents is going to stand up and get the better of a fighter who is better in nearly every department and has beaten better fighters?

only baldomir was a welter fight.and i dont think hearns could k.o balderthal either.

Im sorry but Hearns would absolutely dismember Baldomir. Tommy wasn't afraid to go for the kill when he knew he had an opponent outgunned. He would take advantage and destroy the slow, soft hitting baldomir.

tommy is not = in speed,or all around offense as tommy relies mostly on a right hand,and yes he's miles ahead in power but miles behind in defense.

Hearns is right there in the speed department Ron. And Hearns had a laser like jab and was one of the most viscous body punchers ever. Im sorry, but you not knowing this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about. As far as Hearns defense goes....Not the best ever, no. But when have you ever seen a fighter beat Tommy by potshotting him? Better yet, when have you ever seen Hearns out boxed?

tommy was easy to hit,floyd isnt.

Can you provide an example of Hearns being easy to hit? Warning...I am setting you up here so tread carefully.

floyd didt have anything to keep corrales at bay was every equal the puncher tommy was at 135,look how that turned out

With all due respect to Corrales, he wasn't in Hearns league in ANY department but heart. And Floyd fights at 147 nothing like he did at 135. Am I wrong about that?

[StarshipTrooper]

Hearns is right there in the speed department Ron. And Hearns had a laser like jab and was one of the most viscous body punchers ever. Im sorry, but you not knowing this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about. As far as Hearns defense goes....Not the best ever, no. But when have you ever seen a fighter beat Tommy by potshotting him? Better yet, when have you ever seen Hearns out boxed?

The problem is Burgundy is only familiar with fighters from the past 10 years or so and doesn't consider fighters from prior to that worth his time to learn anything about. His knee-jerk reaction is that any fighter of today is automatically better in every department then fighters who are from a few short years ago. Hence, when it comes to past fighters, Burgundy confines himself to spouting nonsense about fighters he knows NOTHING about

Poet