Lennox Lewis Or Sonny Liston?

[CarlosG815]

Well, admittedly, unlike Liston Lewis actually beat both guys he lost to in the rematches. If Liston had beaten Ali in the rematch instead of getting beaten even worse in the weird fight, then people might have said he was "unfocused", or it was a "lucky punch" etc.

But, the fact is that in each rematch Lewis dominated and knocked the opponent out making it look as if the first fight was simply Lewis losing through his own means instead of the opponent winning because they were better.

Lewis should have never lost to those bums to begin with if he was such a great champion, of course he should have won the rematch. You cannot compare getting KO'd by journeyman to losing to Muhammad Ali in his prime when you are on the downward slide of your career, as Liston was.

And it isn't hard to dominate when you avoid everybody and fight journeyman and bums. The only thing notable about LL's career, to me, is that despite fighting all journeyman and bums, he was KO'D TWICE. I can understand fighting a war and maybe losing later in the fight like The Great Tyson did to Buster in a fluke fight. That isn't the case with Lennox Lewis. It was a boring and Lewis was KO'd 200 seconds in to Oliver McCall.

A real ATG doesn't take one shot to the chin, in the prime of his career, from a B-C rated fighter and get dazed for a week.

[Shazam!]

While I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying elsewhere, this one is a little over the top. You do not have your entire eye socket completely mangled by some glancing duct tape. He had the eye pasted over and over to the point of TKO and won.

He also didn't owe some up and coming champion anything. He was at the end of his career, in bad shape, didn't have any motivation to fight on as he had achieved everything he had though and more and he still stoppedthe guy. What reason did he have to owe him something? Because the fight was close? He stopped him! Old, veteran champion at the end vs young, up and coming champion and the young guy gets stopped by horrible face mutilation. Old guy wins big and ends his career on a great, amazing note!

Or did you just want to see him come back to lose? Maybe he thought he would lose. Who cares? He stopped him in the only fight that matters because it was the only fight they had. Do you realise that he probably just didn't care? If you're at the end, and he was definitely at the end after the shape he came in like against Klitschko, you're eventually going to lose whether from simply not giving a ****e anymore (and he was obviously at that point) or from just getting too old.

So, why would that guy owe some young fighter he just stopped anything? To just see if he could still get up for a big fight? Or to see how good the young guy was or was it just to give the young guy a chance to beat him because he couldn't be bothered with it?

I've never understood the contentious aura that surrounds this fight. Vitali got stopped by a better fighter on that night. It happens. It's called boxing and when you your face smashed open to smithereens and are in jeopardy of going permanently blind from the damage, you lose! Now for a guy that had obviously been near the end of his career for while, what better way to go out? Why not leave while you are on top, but also with the understanding that you will not stay on top because you are obviously losing it. There is no better time. Comparatively, he looked like **** in that fight. Fat, untrained, unmotivated and he still won what turned out to be one of the best victories of his career as the young guy went on to become a great champ himself. It's perfect and yet everyone always has a good, boring whinge about it.

"He owed him a fight!"

Why? Because he lost by TKO?

That doesn't really work for me. Usually when you get stopped, you are not owed a damn thing but have to rework your way back up another way. He did and that's that.

Exactly. That's how boxing works. Pretty simple.

[General Zod]

CarlosG815's wall of glory:

His legendary debating ability

Shouldn't you be plowing your boyfriend Shazam!? Your Lewis huggery is disgusting.

Shouldn't you be blowing random guys in glory holes while fantasizing about Lennox Lewis?

Of course you, your boyfriend Hellboy/Zod, and idiots like Jim Jeffries and Clegg will all feel the same way. You're euro nut huggers who don't know anything about boxing.

If you spent less time getting plowed by your boyfriend Zod while looking up at your Lennox Lewis cutout, and more time trying to understand the sport, you wouldn't be such an idiot, but that will never happen.

You are one ****** mother ****er.

Can I see a ban coming soon?
His explanation for Tyson's behaviour

I have suspected that he may have been ****d by a man in his youth - that's a trauma that I could never even try to relate to.

his legendary boxing knowlegde:

Mick,if Roy can do 12 rounds he can do 20. I also believe Roy had a good chin. He never lost in his prime, I don't know how anybody can claim anybody has a better chin that he did.
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12=20?
Griffin I?

3 - Ali beat Foreman with footwork, a jab, and more stamina. None of which Joe had, making it a terrible playing field. I'm not making excuses for Joe. I don't think he could have beat Foreman at any point in his career. George was a better, bigger, stronger, harder hitting fighter than Joe.

The reason Ali beat Foreman

without question it is Shane Mosley. He has one of the best resumes in the history of the game, and probably the best resume of the last 12 years.

Mosley is a ATG?

This kind of amuses me. The guy loses one fight and he has a bad chin? Amir Khan is an awesome talent and one of the few fighters out of the UK that I enjoy watching.

I think the chin thing gets blown out of proportion. He got hit with a good shot, what can you do?

Michael Spinks got floored with one hit, does he have a weak chin?
DLH went down to B Hop one one punch, does he have a weak gut?.

Amir Khan has a solid chin?

[sonnyboyx2]

people winge about Lewis vs Vitali because they know that Lewis was very fortunate to get the win as it looked like Vitali was going to take him out within the next 2rds, yet Lewis promised the whole boxing world that he would face Vitali in a rematch yet knowing all along that he had no intension of ever getting in a ring with Vitali again, Lewis dragged out his title reign for almost another year until only 2 days before he was to be stripped of his last remaining title belt (Lewis stripped of other 2 belts) he announced his retirement, yet Lewis had boasted repeatedly that he was "Like fine-wine" after beating Mike Tyson even tho Tyson was 14yrs past his best days and only turned up for the money.. The bottom line is that when ever Lewis fought an opponent who was above Class C he got beaten

[Shazam!]

Originally Posted by CarlosG815
This kind of amuses me. The guy loses one fight and he has a bad chin? Amir Khan is an awesome talent and one of the few fighters out of the UK that I enjoy watching.

I think the chin thing gets blown out of proportion. He got hit with a good shot, what can you do?

Michael Spinks got floored with one hit, does he have a weak chin?
DLH went down to B Hop one one punch, does he have a weak gut?.

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Heheheh. This is my favourite, for obvious (Lennox Lewis related) reasons.

[General Zod]

The bottom line is that when ever Lewis fought an opponent who was above Class C he got beaten

Holyfield*2?
Vitali?

[General Zod]

Heheheh. This is my favourite, for obvious (Lennox Lewis related) reasons.

Yeah, that Troll is a funny guy. He has no double standards thats for sure.

[General Zod]

CarlosG815 wall of glory part 2:

I analyze fantasy fights all the time. You're trying to say that Holme's jab would be effective against Tyson, when Tyson fought other fighters who had great jabs (including Holmes, even if he was a little past prime).

Holmes was only a little past prime? He only had a 2 year lay off, took the fight at extremely short notice and was 0-2 in last two fights,

I don't recall anybody being able to use their jab very effective against Mike.

Buster Douglas?

Floyd Patterson had a ridiculous amount of punching power. I think many people forget even though he was HW champion he was naturally a light hw and was laying out guys who were naturally well over 200+ pounds.

Sonny Liston really respected his power, thats for sure

Ike is truly a danger to society. He has legit mental illness and to free him would probably result in somebody getting hurt.

I love him as a fighter but the man is sick and there really is no cure at the moment.

Said like a true Mike Tyson fan

More legendary quotes coming soon

[sonnyboyx2]

Holyfield*2?
Vitali?

Holyfield was not at the top of his game and was on the slide yet he still got "Robbed" against Lewis in their rematch.

Vitali was on the way to a knock out victory over Lewis if the fight was not stopped on a cut.. also remember that Vitali Klitschko was a late substitute taking the fight at 2 weeks notice when Kirk Johnson pulled out.

Who has Lewis ever fought who was at The Top of their Game?

[General Zod]

Holyfield was not at the top of his game and was on the slide yet he still got "Robbed" against Lewis in their rematch.

Lewis won both fights.

Vitali was on the way to a knock out victory over Lewis if the fight was not stopped on a cut..

If you say so

also remember that Vitali Klitschko was a late substitute taking the fight at 2 weeks notice when Kirk Johnson pulled out.

lmao

Who has Lewis ever fought who was at The Top of their Game?

Sometimes that just how things work out. If Evander beat Bowe he would of fought him. If Bowe manned up he would of fought him as well.