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  • #71
    Originally posted by Southpaw Power View Post
    Why? Dempsey was a incredible puncher....
    I feel he has over-rated power. He's not in the same league as Foreman, Liston, Marciano and Shavers.

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    • #72
      Originally posted by Pastrano View Post
      Langford is too high up. Baer sure hit harder than him!
      Maybe it has something to do with Langford weighing quite a substantial bit less.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
        I feel he has over-rated power. He's not in the same league as Foreman, Liston, Marciano and Shavers.
        I'd say he is easily in there league. And I'd say he punched harder than Liston and possibly Marciano aswell.

        I remember reading in a book about Dempsey, and fighters who fought him said they have never felt power like his and it was like getting hit by a truck.

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        • #74
          Dempsey couldn't even properly KO Williard, if Foreman or Liston got that many clean punches in, Williard is history.

          Saying he punched harder than Liston is crazy in my opinion.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
            Dempsey couldn't even properly KO Williard, if Foreman or Liston got that many clean punches in, Williard is history.

            Saying he punched harder than Liston is crazy in my opinion.
            Same here.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by Pastrano View Post
              Langford is too high up. Baer sure hit harder than him!

              How do you figure? Langford was 30 to 40lbs lighter at their best weights and was knocking heavyweights cold with one shot, the same as Baer. P4p it stands to reason because of this Langford is the better p4p pouncher.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
                Dempsey couldn't even properly KO Williard, if Foreman or Liston got that many clean punches in, Williard is history.

                Saying he punched harder than Liston is crazy in my opinion.
                Willard had a insane chin do. Dempsey broke his jaw, cheekbone, burst his ear drum and evetually stopped him. C'mon man, that is scary power.

                And it's no cert Liston knocks out Willard cold. Journyman Bert Whitehurst did go the distance with him when Liston was in his prime, someone who I feels Dempsey KO's. Lesser fighters with less durablity went the distance with Liston, so its not out the question Willard could.

                I remember reading in my Gene Tunney book, Gene said Dempsey power was just outright scary, something which he'd never felt before. And that was Jack past his best aswell.

                He may be overrated, but Jack Dempsey's power can't be denied imo.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by Southpaw Power View Post
                  Willard had a insane chin do. Dempsey broke his jaw, cheekbone, burst his ear drum and evetually stopped him. C'mon man, that is scary power.

                  And it's no cert Liston knocks out Willard cold. Journyman Bert Whitehurst did go the distance with him when Liston was in his prime, someone who I feels Dempsey KO's. Lesser fighters with less durablity went the distance with Liston, so its not out the question Willard could.

                  I remember reading in my Gene Tunney book, Gene said Dempsey power was just outright scary, something which he'd never felt before. And that was Jack past his best aswell.

                  He may be overrated, but Jack Dempsey's power can't be denied imo.
                  Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw, did he have scary power?

                  I've had a busted eardrum in a gloved fight before.

                  What other power punchers did Gene Tunney actually face? It was probably his first experience of very good power. I'm not saying Dempsey was feather-fisted here. I'm just saying he doesn't belong in the Top 10 ATG power hitters.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
                    Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw, did he have scary power?

                    I've had a busted eardrum in a gloved fight before.

                    What other power punchers did Gene Tunney actually face? It was probably his first experience of very good power. I'm not saying Dempsey was feather-fisted here. I'm just saying he doesn't belong in the Top 10 ATG power hitters.
                    But Liston had scary power because he knocked out the iron chinned Floyd Patterson?

                    Ray Arcel claimed Dempsey was probaly the hardest puncher he EVER saw in his lifetime. That speaks for itself.

                    Dempsey also KO'd more durable fighters & overall better fighters than Liston did.

                    To say it's crazy to compare Dempseys power to Liston's is utter BS.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
                      Dempsey couldn't even properly KO Williard, if Foreman or Liston got that many clean punches in, Williard is history.

                      Saying he punched harder than Liston is crazy in my opinion.
                      Co-sign,Dempsey is too high on the list imo

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