Did Edwin Valero do enough to warrant IBHOF induction?

[rsf]

for me yes but only because fighters that achieved less like mcguigan have made it, but it may take longer for valero due to his crime

[forget]

There are thirty fighters today that have beat better competition and didn't get two world titles! His in the ring victories are not enough and his outside the ring history should be enough to keep anybody out!

[TBear]

Why would there be any controversy?

The man never beat a single world class fighter. End of story.

Thats what I thought before this week, now I feel even stronger about him not being HOF worthy.

Sad but years from now, young fans will start threads here in the history section asking stuff like "Valero vs. Sugar Ray Robinson, who wins?" They will have seen his record on boxrec and that he was a multi titlest and not know how limited his opposition was.

[BennyST]

Absolutely not. Not even slightly close. He had the potential to become a HOF fighter but his accomplishments don't even get close to the car park of ball park of the HOF in which you have to reach the middle of the ground.

[TheGreatA]

Obviously not.

Boxing, and the boxing hall of fame, is filled with tragic characters and terrible human beings so he won't be discriminated against for that reason. The reason he won't be there is because he didn't achieve much in boxing. Maybe I'm wrong and some of the men he beat go onto become all-time greats (highly unlikely) which is partly what happened with Salvador Sanchez, although he certainly beat more established fighters than Valero.

[The_Demon]

na he didnt achieve enough,far from it

[TOBYLEE1]

Boxers get inducted cause their accomplishments in the ring not their personal life. But Valero didn't do enough, there are no marquee names or other reconizable fighters in his resume. All we can do with his career right now is to "what if"

[BennyST]

He never beat anyone of skill of ability. There's no chance that he warrants an IBHOF induction.

Thats what I thought before this week, now I feel even stronger about him not being HOF worthy.

Sad but years from now, young fans will start threads here in the history section asking stuff like "Valero vs. Sugar Ray Robinson, who wins?" They will have seen his record on boxrec and that he was a multi titlest and not know how limited his opposition was.

That's ridiculous. He did beat some very good fighters and champions. I agree that it doesn't get close to being worthy of the HOF but I think people have forgotten what the HOF is about. The HOF is about fighters who you call ATG of the first, and second tier level.

Valero was a great fighter and beat some very good fighters. To say he never beat anyone of any ability is to say "I didn't watch any of his major fights or any of his major opponents fights" because he did.

Nonetheless, to get into the HOF, you have to do one hell of a lot more than win a couple of titles in a couple of divisions these days. Winning a title today is seriously only the same as being a contender years ago. Even then it's easier to win a title today than be a top or number one contender used to be. You only have to go through up the rankings of one divisions ratings and win their title, leaving four or whatever other entire ranking bodies out. If you beat all the number one contenders of each and every governing body, that would equal in general terms the 'contender' status of yesteryear. Hence the reason being a contender was actually something to be proud of and a serious accomplishment. Being a champion is the same as unifying an entire division today.

Anyway, he was a good fighters and beat some good fighters but does not get anywhere near the HOF, which seems to have become something reachable for any old champion today, even though it's ten times easier to get a title.

Think of the very best from each era. They are the guys who go to the HOF. Not a guy who was popular and won a title or two and maybe did ok for a couple of years. That just doesn't cut it. You have to do something special today to have that distinction because it's so much easier to do the 'champion' thing. Even division jumping has become blase. Division jumping thirty/forty years ago was something seriously amazing. Now, a guy can win a title in two, even three divisions without actually doing much at all.

Classic example. Joan Guzman. Three division world champion over four weight classes. Surely that deserves HOF entry right? I don't think so. He was a freakish talent but didn't actually end up doing much. Beat some very good fighters and champions, but again, we still equate the word champion its significance of years ago. It simply does not have the same meaning. The term champion today is what I equate to contender relative to past eras. Just a normal contender too, not a number one contender that was such over years as he would be a multi-titlist for years today.

To be a champion or even proper contender you had to beat the Floyd Mayweathers, the Pacquiao's, the Tim Bradley's. The guys who were genuinely the best. Of course there have always, and will always be, the little political, corrupt sidings of boxing. That is one thing that hasn't changed and sadly won't ever change and it might have gotten you from third or fourth ranked to a title shot in which you either won or got spanked and never heard from again. Either way, to even get there you had to beat a larger contingent of fighters that most titlists do today.

......well......ahhhhh

So, to summarise: No, Valero is not even worth a brief, passing thought for the HOF.

[mhager91490]

Spot on analysis!

Shame Ayala never killed himself as well.. I'm sure a lot of innocents would have had a much better life if he had..

True that, I wouldn't of lost a second's sleep if Ayala had offed himself, the guy is a straight up scumbag.

[BigStereotype]

I voted no. I do these polls every time a fighter dies. There are guys who think fighters like Mickey Ward and Earnie Shavers deserve induction. Valero had HOF ability, but not a HOF resume. Killing your wife doesn't eliminate you from being inducted, but I agree with most observers. Valero's body of work is not HOF quality. I'm not ******, just wanted the fans insight on his career.

Alright, I might have overreacted. I was just annoyed by the ******* of Valero threads. On another note, who thinks that Ward deserves HOF status? He was entertaining, but just not very good.