Joe Louis vs these fighters

[r.burgundy]

Joe Louis vs these fighters....Who do you have winning.

Muhammad Ali
George Forman
Sonny Liston
Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Jack Johnson(197lbs)
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey

he beats tunney,johnson,dempsey and gets k.o'd in spectaculous fashion by the rest of the field

[fight_professor]

His ATG status is based off of his long, long career run. It doesn't help in h2h matchups.

Exactly my pov.

[StarshipTrooper]

it's so hard for me to pick Louis over many on that list of Hw's. They were all so good and a great deal of them IMO beat and even stop Louis. The men that put Louis down were smaller men who didn't have near the same punching power as guys like Foreman, Tyson and Liston.

I was going to pick Louis over Frazier, but then I kept getting flashes at what Joe's lighting fast left hook would have done to Louis, and how many times he probably would have made Louis hit the canvas. If Louis beat any elites in his day I might have a better grasp - but his best wins are over guys like Schmelling who fight like amatuers at best. His ATG status is based off of his long, long career run. It doesn't help in h2h matchups.

Bear in mind though you have an admitted bias towards post-1960 fighters.....we've had this discussion before

Poet

[fight_professor]

Could just be there was a glut of superior fighters from the 60's through late 80s?

[StarshipTrooper]

Could just be there was a glut of superior fighters from the 60's through late 80s?

I wouldn't say so.....my thinking is that over all there are great fighters in every era. Not every division is strong in every era but that's invariably compensated by strength in other divisions. Individual divisions may have ups and downs but for boxing as a whole I don't rate any era as inherently superior to another.

Poet

[fight_professor]

In context, I was refering to HW division. That was the golden era, thus its understandable that so many of the alltime top HW come from that era.

[studentofthegam]

Its unfair considering boxing's evolution but I can only see him having a chance against Liston, Tunney, and Dempsey. I exclude Frazier because he had trouble with smaller aggressive fighters.

[JAB5239]

Its unfair considering boxing's evolution but I can only see him having a chance against Liston, Tunney, and Dempsey. I exclude Frazier because he had trouble with smaller aggressive fighters.

What smaller aggressive fighters are you talking about?

[boxingbuff]

What smaller aggressive fighters are you talking about?

I think he meant "shorter" fighters like Bonevena.

[res]

When I watch that version of Holyfield 'past-it' is the last thing I think. But we'll agree to disagree I guess

The guy had been fighting for 15 years by that time.