Joe Louis vs these fighters

[them_apples]

Bear in mind though you have an admitted bias towards post-1960 fighters.....we've had this discussion before

Poet

I know I do. i'll admit that. I just never grew up watching the really old stuff. but I mean, I do as much research and watching as I can. I recognize skill in guys like Walcott, Robinson etc. But sports do adapt and evolve into better things. Boxing has got better with years and years of practice under it's belt. SRL would not have been SRL without SRR. etc etc.

I just think if a guy like two ton Tony Galento can be in the top standing for a good portion of Louis' career - whats that saying about his competition. I know he wooped Schmeling but he also lost to him as well. Schmeling had some very amateur traits about him. He would turn his head to avoid punches at times and really didn't know much about fundamentals. I also question how Louis didn't adapt to his right hand over his low left that Schmeling did to him.

I'm one to say it's easy to pick apart anyones career, but going by this list I find most of them capable of beating Louis. IMO of course.

I should make note though, had those fighters grown up in a later time, they probably still would have been great. Louis would have been better with all the knowledge gained from the past, he probably would have been cut at 215 and would have been very strong. The exact version of the Louis we watch on tape though? I can't see him beating guys like Holyfield, Ali (the list..)

Cause if a HW came along and beat everyone in the division right now (A weaker division) and defended the belts (at least 2 of them) 25 times, he would definently be considered great regardless. So if we scale that then you can see where Louis get's his greatness from.

[Ascended]

loses to all except gene

[Ascended]

You really Joe would koed a focused Lennox??

That's why I don't like to talk fantasy matches with boxing fans(yeah I'm a boxer before being a fan).

The way they overrate boxing legends is ridiculous.

Face it,Lewis is FASTER than Louis,way taller,heavier,has more skills and more power.
Lewis get koed twice,but a roided McCall hits harder than a 185 pounds Max Schmelling.

Do you think the guys Louis was beating are beasts like Bowe,Tua,Tucker or Holyfield??NO!!!

no he was trolling joe never would touch lennox how does joe win

[Ascended]

Watchin tapes of both.

Watch Louis fights in real motion(it's even slower sometimes).

Lewis was throwin fast bombs in his prime.

Also,Lewis had better ring skills,fought every styles,and not only slow one dimensionnal white cats.

asked a dumb question like its obvious on video Lennox was way better these trolls are weird

[Ascended]

it's so hard for me to pick Louis over many on that list of Hw's. They were all so good and a great deal of them IMO beat and even stop Louis. The men that put Louis down were smaller men who didn't have near the same punching power as guys like Foreman, Tyson and Liston.

I was going to pick Louis over Frazier, but then I kept getting flashes at what Joe's lighting fast left hook would have done to Louis, and how many times he probably would have made Louis hit the canvas. If Louis beat any elites in his day I might have a better grasp - but his best wins are over guys like Schmelling who fight like amatuers at best. His ATG status is based off of his long, long career run. It doesn't help in h2h matchups.

facts and it's weird that people picked joe to beat any of these names except gene joe moved way to stiff and basic how would he win with these legends

these trolls are mental the man would be destroyed fast then they lie saying how he was so skilled how is that when he struggled or was dropped by the people he fought when the names put here never would stuggle or be dropped

so obviously they had way more movement and skill it's on video easy to see and the era joe fought in they were trash compared none of those dudes would make pro himself included

[Willie Pep 229]

facts and it's weird that people picked joe to beat any of these names except gene joe moved way to stiff and basic how would he win with these l
these trolls are mental the man would be destroyed fast then they lie saying how he was so skilled how is that when he struggled or was dropped by the people he fought when the names put here never would stuggle or be dropped

so obviously they had way more movement and skill it's on video easy to see and the era joe fought in they were trash compared none of those dudes would make pro himself included

They "lie" ?

What an absurd word to choose.

You don't understand what a 'fact' is, and now you call an opposing opinion a lie.

Why not ask a friend of yours, someone you trust, to read your posts, and then you ask that friend if you are using these words correctly.

There is this new hypothesis kicking around that suggests that only some humans have an inner voice; that only some have actually reached consciousness, others can only mimic their surroundings and are incapable of developing a personal philosophy.

I thought it a silly premise; but now there's you, and I rethink.

Listen, if it turns out you're just a kid learning to write, then this is OK. But if you already have a driver's license . . .

Listen again, why don't you post a picture of yourself, I an curious as to what you look like?

Oh yes! This post actually is a troll, so you can call it that. But 90% of the time when you use the word 'troll' - it's also the wrong word.

[Ascended]

They "lie" ?

What an absurd word to choose.

You don't understand what a 'fact' is, and now you call an opposing opinion a lie.

Why not ask a friend of yours, someone you trust, to read your posts, and then you ask that friend if you are using these words correctly.

There is this new hypothesis kicking around that suggests that only some humans have an inner voice; that only some have actually reached consciousness, others can only mimic their surroundings and are incapable of developing a personal philosophy.

I thought it a silly premise; but now there's you, and I rethink.

Listen, if it turns out you're just a kid learning to write, then this is OK. But if you already have a driver's license . . .

Listen again, why don't you post a picture of yourself, I an curious as to what you look like?

Oh yes! This post actually is a troll, so you can call it that. But 90% of the time when you use the word 'troll' - it's also the wrong word.

Stop trolling cause all I said is fact on vid you people do lie joe never was as skilled as these people when he was dropped or struggled with who he fought

And he never was as skilled or close to people like george joe lennox and others fought fought these names and the rest never would struggle be dropped or lose to any of those dudes and if you say I'm wrong your lying cause its on vid how they fought and the people they fought moved and had way more skill

Nobody ever should had said joe its crazy to say that knowing how he fought on vid which shows he would be way to outdated in movement to even land a shot

so stop the blind and dumb act

[Ascended]

Muhammad Ali = Ali
George Forman = could go either way
Sonny Liston = Louis
Lennox Lewis = Louis
Joe Frazier = Louis
Mike Tyson = Tyson

Jack Johnson(197lbs)
Gene Tunney Havent seen enough of these three to make a prediction.
Jack Dempsey

Explain how joe beats any of these men when he was stiff slow and was weak you trolls are crazy the man would never land on any of these men except gene and he would be the only one that joe beats

You need to watch more matches cause nobody who seen any of these men up top would see how they fight and see joe beats them your either crazy or never seen them or can't see good or maybe a combo of all

You shouldn't say idiotic stuff