Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[r.burgundy]

Really funny considering how feather fisted Shavers was when compared with Puritty etc.
Also take a look at Lyle getting up against Shavers and tell me he was very chinny

when most talk of wlad in its usually pre steward.post steward,wlad has taken care of buisness

[GJC]

Try hitting a punchbag (or in your case a paperbag) non-stop for 6 rounds as hard and fast as you can. My guess is you're gassed in 60secs or less. There was nothing wrong with George's cardio, he just got duped into punching himself out instead of pacing himself.

Don't forget to add 80% humidity

[GJC]

I guess there has to be a point at which size and weight does become an advantage. Or there would be a greater number of light heavyweights/cruiserweights that make the step up to heavyweight successfully.

Although interestingly RJJ and Toney have moved up successfully in this era of "supersized" HW's whereas dominant LHW's of the past such as Foster and Moore always got found out against the smaller HW's.
Makes you wonder if speed might be a factor that does count a little?

[GJC]

when most talk of wlad in its usually pre steward.post steward,wlad has taken care of buisness

I wouldn't argue that Steward has managed to paper over Wlad's weaknesses but they are still there. You could also say the opposition is not of the quality to exploit those weaknesses.

[GJC]

well,if we agree that ther have been only 7 or 8 A fighters in heavy history then we can also agree that outta so called great fighters or contenders from the golden era are B and C level fighters.with that being said,all of these A guys have lost to lesser opposition,but that shouldnt cloud judgement on how they would perform against 1 another.for instance,i rate ali,and foreman as the A guys of the 70's.they both lost to B nnd C guys in norton and young.were most of these debates take a turn for this worse is when guys act like C guys from that time were better than C guys from this time.i think thats completly false

Surely you wouldn't argue that the HW division was far deeper in the 70's and 90's than today?

[StarshipTrooper]

Since Ezzard Fan, GJC, and Sonnyboyx are handling this so well anything I might add would be piling on......green K forthcoming as soon as it allows me.

PS. I've seen statues with more mobility and faster hands than Wlad

Poet

[r.burgundy]

Since Ezzard Fan, GJC, and Sonnyboyx are handling this so well anything I might add would be piling on......green K forthcoming as soon as it allows me.

PS. I've seen statues with more mobility and faster hands than Wlad

Poet

yes cause big george,chuvalo,quarry and mathis moved like ray robinson

[r.burgundy]

Although interestingly RJJ and Toney have moved up successfully in this era of "supersized" HW's whereas dominant LHW's of the past such as Foster and Moore always got found out against the smaller HW's.
Makes you wonder if speed might be a factor that does count a little?

they fought ruiz.at that time,lewis was still the man and the klits were coming up.i wouldveloved to see that mccline vs toney fight,but mccline got injured i believe

[StarshipTrooper]

yes cause big george,chuvalo,quarry and mathis moved like ray robinson

They moved faster than the Ukrainian spastic does

Poet

[Jim Jeffries]

I'd give Lewis the best shot, then Wlad, then Vitali. I'd favor Ali over all three, though none would be quite as easy as some would like to believe.

One thing about Ali, he always found a way to win, even when past his best. Truly a once in a lifetime fighter.