Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[StarshipTrooper]

You're referring to the Klit brothers being 6'6+ and being "Agile" in your opinion, when in reality they are anything but. That's why they can't throw combinations, they get hit pretty easily, and they rely on their jab to carry them for 12 rounds.

Yeah, there's nothing remotely "agile" about the Klits. Like I pointed out in an earlier post I've seen statues with more mobility and old ladies with faster hands.

Poet

[CarlosG815]

I think when you pack on muscle through weight training you step out of your natural element of what your body is comfortable with. It's artificial weight and it's heavy and tight.

If you can be a guy that can weigh 200+ lb's without putting on 25+ lb's of muscle, then you're not going to be as agile as the guy who can run, diet, and box and weight 200+ lbs.

Look at a guy like Frank Bruno, who packed on a lot of muscle. I think he was like 6'3, but his deceiving physique was artificial, as he would have been much more comfortable as a light heavyweight, IMO. When he stepped in with Tyson you saw how the fight was much more natural for Tyson, and he outmatched him in every category - because he was a natural heavyweight, and Bruno really was not.

[StarshipTrooper]

I think when you pack on muscle through weight training you step out of your natural element of what your body is comfortable with. It's artificial weight and it's heavy and tight.

If you can be a guy that can weigh 200+ lb's without putting on 25+ lb's of muscle, then you're not going to be as agile as the guy who can run, diet, and box and weight 200+ lbs.

Look at a guy like Frank Bruno, who packed on a lot of muscle. I think he was like 6'3, but his deceiving physique was artificial, as he would have been much more comfortable as a light heavyweight, IMO. When he stepped in with Tyson you saw how the fight was much more natural for Tyson, and he outmatched him in every category - because he was a natural heavyweight, and Bruno really was not.

That's the biggest reason why there are so many injuries in the NFL now compared to previous eras: They pack on all that extra weight and their bodies aren't designed to handle it. All those extra pounds put ridiculous loads on joints that can't realistically handle it. When you take a person who might naturally weigh 250 pounds then pack an extra 75 pounds on them they still have the frame and joints of a 250 pound man. It overloads the weight bearing joints and eventually they give out.

Poet

[CarlosG815]

That's the biggest reason why there are so many injuries in the NFL now compared to previous eras: They pack on all that extra weight and their bodies aren't designed to handle it. All those extra pounds put ridiculous loads on joints that can't realistically handle it. When you take a person who might naturally weigh 250 pounds then pack an extra 75 pounds on them they still have the frame and joints of a 250 pound man. It overloads the weight bearing joints and eventually they give out.

Poet

Happens to weight lifters all the time. Their bodies get too big, and while the Muscle maybe strong enough to push a certain amount of weight, it shows that it isn't natural as they end up tearing muscles and getting injured, whereas guys in the strong man contest are just natural monstrous in stature can push ridiculous amounts of weight with less risk of injury. It's very common.

[EzzardFan]

I think when you pack on muscle through weight training you step out of your natural element of what your body is comfortable with. It's artificial weight and it's heavy and tight.

If you can be a guy that can weigh 200+ lb's without putting on 25+ lb's of muscle, then you're not going to be as agile as the guy who can run, diet, and box and weight 200+ lbs.

Look at a guy like Frank Bruno, who packed on a lot of muscle. I think he was like 6'3, but his deceiving physique was artificial, as he would have been much more comfortable as a light heavyweight, IMO. When he stepped in with Tyson you saw how the fight was much more natural for Tyson, and he outmatched him in every category - because he was a natural heavyweight, and Bruno really was not.

Happens to weight lifters all the time. Their bodies get too big, and while the Muscle maybe strong enough to push a certain amount of weight, it shows that it isn't natural as they end up tearing muscles and getting injured, whereas guys in the strong man contest are just natural monstrous in stature can push ridiculous amounts of weight with less risk of injury. It's very common.

I agree. Your assessment is spot on.

[sonnyboyx2]

There were lots of misconceptions about weight training in the old days. I think Haye is proof of weight lifting not hindering speed, as well as the 300 lb linebackers these days with a 4.6 40 yard dash. They were as wrong about that as they were wrong forcing people to take salt tablets.

Height did use to be more of a hindrance, as you rarely saw anyone 6'6" or over that had much athleticism or coordination, which is not the case today.

And I've now heard you argue that both height and weight are hindrances, so please explain to me why we have weight classes again? Have you never heard the saying "a great small man beats a good big man, but a great big man beats everyone?"

David Haye is proof of nothing! .. Haye has beaten a 38yr old John Ruiz and got the nod over a 7ft Valuev in what was the worst fight for the title in history, Haye has put on 45lbs in weight which i call into question as he looks juiced-up IMO.

we have always had fighters who was as tall as the super-sized fighters of today, Jess Willard, Fred Fulton, Carnera, Buddy Baer, Ernie Terrell, Cooney, Tyrell Biggs, Shannon Biggs, Akinwande the list is endless, yet because the Klitschko brothers & Lewis fought only class D fighters they are deemed to be better than the other tall heavyweights which is not the case.

[check hook]

If i remember Ali is six three....thats not small.......skills wins fights not size...Ali mops the floor with them.

[GJC]

If i remember Ali is six three....thats not small.......skills wins fights not size...Ali mops the floor with them.

It is laughable that with Ali and Foreman we are arguing about an inch in height.
It's really not going to be a factor

[sonnyboyx2]

It is laughable that with Ali and Foreman we are arguing about an inch in height.
It's really not going to be a factor

your correct GJC 2 or 3ins is nothing, Ernie Terrell was 6ft 7ins and Ali took him apart

[StarshipTrooper]

Wlad dominates against opponents he has a big reach advantage over who also have absolutely no clue as to how to work their way inside. It's as if they've all been trained to fight one way. Doesn't anybody teach how to fight anymore? In any case, against guys like Ali, Foreman, Liston, and Holmes Wlad has NO reach advantage at all.

Poet