Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[JAB5239]

Lol. Boxrec surfing will tell you about 10% of what should be known about Floyd Jumbo Cummings!!
Frazier kept getting up. Sanders and Bruster (and Ross the Boss??!!). Comparing those goys to Foreman? Stop. Vlad gets ground down and pounded and Vitali gets customarily wooden and busted up, Wholly unable to keep the perpetually moving Frazier on the outside. The Klitschko Brothers - Both great fighters combining to utterly dominate their era, both Hall of fame level champions, and both architecturally built to specification to be easy work for a 1970-71 Smokin' Joe Frazier!

Chris Byrd was backing Vits up for crying out loud. Frazier would have a field day!!

[Dr. Z]

Wow, you really are something. You've completely left out the fact Frazier was out of boxing for five and a half years. I guess that mean nothing in your world. I can yell you from personal experience it means a lot. At level Frazier was at, and the style he fought.....it means even more. But hey, why would you take that into consideration, right?

And he wisely retired. I don't rate Frazier on this fight and his performance here hardly factors in. Who says I never took this in consideration? I pay attention when the fights are made and the fighters age. I'm counting on you to find the tier two examples as your are extra sensitive to message, which I think is valuable. Just remember not list big their two heavies outside their prime in the examples too. Fair enough?

[them_apples]

These are Frazier's kos

Don Smith 13-5-1 4 of his career 8 losses are by stoppage

Mel Turnbow 6-3-0 Was stopped 10 times in his career

Abe Davis 5-22-1 Was stopped13 times in his career

Doug Jones 29- 8-1 188lbs

Al Jones 3-5-2. Had been stopped in 4 of his 5 defeats,would be stopped 25 times in his career

Chuck Leslie13-9-2

Ziggy 29-1-0

Bob Foster 41-4-0

Foster,Leslie were lhvys.

Frazier gets close to Wlad ,the Ukranian lays all over him as he did the much bigger than Frazier, Povetkin.

Vitali knew how to judge distance ,he would pick Frazier off at range. Foreman beat Frazier by simply shoving him back out to his optimum range why would they not be able to do that?

Frazier was a one trick pony, come forward and pressure, his stature demanded he do so,and he was very, very good at it but he never successfully faced anyone who could hit that hard and was that big.
It's simple physics to me.

Vitali or Wlad never used a grappling move like that. Foreman fought that way his entire first career, thats why they wouldn't do that. In fact you probably couldn't do that tactic anymore, and even back when George did it, it was illegal.

List a few of wlads knockouts, where they couldn't make a 10 count. who where they?

Frazier, once his competition got better, they turned into stoppages. Which is normal if you are fighting good competition.

[Ivich]

Vitali or Wlad never used a grappling move like that. Foreman fought that way his entire first career, thats why they wouldn't do that. In fact you probably couldn't do that tactic anymore, and even back when George did it, it was illegal.

List a few of wlads knockouts, where they couldn't make a 10 count. who where they?

Frazier, once his competition got better, they turned into stoppages. Which is normal if you are fighting good competition.

Pulev no1 never stopped before.

Thompson only stopped by Wlad.

Mormeck stopped 3 times.
Anyone on Frazier's list as good as these?

[QueensburyRules]

Pulev no1 never stopped before.

Thompson only stopped by Wlad.

Mormeck stopped 3 times.
Anyone on Frazier's list as good as these?

- - Let's add Eddie Chambers, his only KO loss.

Sam Peter, and Ray Austin where Wlad never got out of 1st gear.

Them Granny Apples don't seem to follow boxing.