Fighters Who Often Get Called A ATG, But You Don't Think They Are?

[JAB5239]

Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Calzaghe, Frazier, Toney, McCallum etc..

I could see Calzaghe and possibly Toney. The rest I'm curious about.

[GhostofDempsey]

Wlad Klitschko
Rid**** Bowe
Jack Johnson
Stanley Ketchel
Andre Ward
Carlos Monzon
Tony Zale
Jose Torres
Billy Papke
Canelo

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I could see Calzaghe and possibly Toney. The rest I'm curious about.

Calzaghe has the most realistic case for being ATG here but his resume was too weak. Ward had clearly better resume, Canelo has comparable resume only in 2 years. He had great consistency tho. I've no problem if you rank him as an ATG.

[QueensburyRules]

Calzaghe has the most realistic case for being ATG here but his resume was too weak. Ward had clearly better resume, Canelo has comparable resume only in 2 years. He had great consistency tho. I've no problem if you rank him as an ATG.

- - Wart all time headbutt, low blow, hit on the break, sucker punch, ad infinitum. Mob association with Prince who paid the refs to give Wart the l'l floydy the hometown kid glove treatment.

Every fighter in the Super Six Tourney fighting away took a loss. Wart never took an away fight, thus stinking his way as the Homeland winner of that fraudulent tourney that had at some half dozen replacements it was so poorly organized.

Couldn't even KO bowel resectioned emergency replacement Alan Green. Took 40+ Glencoffe Johnson to turn the trick.

Now Wart moaning about Canelo sacking away hundreds of millions when Wart couldn't draw flies in his own hometown like l'l floydy was cursed with.

Is you Scientologist? When they shyte themselves, they meditate Clear...

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- - Wart all time headbutt, low blow, hit on the break, sucker punch, ad infinitum. Mob association with Prince who paid the refs to give Wart the l'l floydy the hometown kid glove treatment.

Every fighter in the Super Six Tourney fighting away took a loss. Wart never took an away fight, thus stinking his way as the Homeland winner of that fraudulent tourney that had at some half dozen replacements it was so poorly organized.

Couldn't even KO bowel resectioned emergency replacement Alan Green. Took 40+ Glencoffe Johnson to turn the trick.

Now Wart moaning about Canelo sacking away hundreds of millions when Wart couldn't draw flies in his own hometown like l'l floydy was cursed with.

Is you Scientologist? When they shyte themselves, they meditate Clear...

Okay okay we got it. You don't like Ward.

[mrbig1]

Dudes, You guys know your stuff no doubt. If someone is calling Monzon overrated, then you are higher than I am. My most overrated is not because of skill. Roy Joke jr has to be the most overrated of all time. and not even close. He beats a very green Hopkins and a big fat lazy James Toney. Other than that, he fought nobodies. Ricky Frazier was a New York cop. Not even a full time fighter. Another guy worked full time on a trash truck. How in the hell are these people getting title fights? Roy was HBO golden goose. Highest rated fighter of that time. They protected him. Jones never wanted the hard fights.

[IronDanHamza]

Dudes, You guys know your stuff no doubt. If someone is calling Monzon overrated, then you are higher than I am. My most overrated is not because of skill. Roy Joke jr has to be the most overrated of all time. and not even close. He beats a very green Hopkins and a big fat lazy James Toney. Other than that, he fought nobodies. Ricky Frazier was a New York cop. Not even a full time fighter. Another guy worked full time on a trash truck. How in the hell are these people getting title fights? Roy was HBO golden goose. Highest rated fighter of that time. They protected him. Jones never wanted the hard fights.

If Roy Jones is overrated then what does that make James Toney?

[JAB5239]

Calzaghe has the most realistic case for being ATG here but his resume was too weak. Ward had clearly better resume, Canelo has comparable resume only in 2 years. He had great consistency tho. I've no problem if you rank him as an ATG.

If Calzaghe is an all time great he's pretty far down the list In my opinion. I agree his resume is very weak. His only top notch win in my opinion was Kessler.

[Anthony342]

Dudes, You guys know your stuff no doubt. If someone is calling Monzon overrated, then you are higher than I am. My most overrated is not because of skill. Roy Joke jr has to be the most overrated of all time. and not even close. He beats a very green Hopkins and a big fat lazy James Toney. Other than that, he fought nobodies. Ricky Frazier was a New York cop. Not even a full time fighter. Another guy worked full time on a trash truck. How in the hell are these people getting title fights? Roy was HBO golden goose. Highest rated fighter of that time. They protected him. Jones never wanted the hard fights.

Toney was a good win at the time. He wasn't fat and out of shape until much later in his career. The rest I can agree on. He might have fought his toughest challenger Darius, if he would've come to the US though. Roy was wary of foreign judges after he got screwed over in the Olympics.

[QueensburyRules]

Toney was a good win at the time. He wasn't fat and out of shape until much later in his career. The rest I can agree on. He might have fought his toughest challenger Darius, if he would've come to the US though. Roy was wary of foreign judges after he got screwed over in the Olympics.

- - Darius famously did come to the US in an HBO broadcast to specifically promote the fight on the broadcast. HBO and Roy didn't wanna know.

The $$$ in the fight was in Germany, not the US where Roy was not a big star known by the general American Public.