Fighters Who Often Get Called A ATG, But You Don't Think They Are?

[IronDanHamza]

By post 1970s standards, when prize fighting got reinvented as a "sport," yep Tiberi certainly scored more "points." Don't think he won the "fight" though, just the boxing match.

I must not be alone in my thinking, after all two judges agreed with me and the investigation said no corruption found.

But I asked you if you thought Dave Tiberi looked like a champion that day?

Except the investigation found that two of the judges weren't even licensed judges so no I think corruption was found, actually.

Tiberi looked like a man who clearly won the fight, which he did.

[Willie Pep 229]

Except the investigation found that two of the judges weren't even licensed judges so no I think corruption was found, actually.

Tiberi looked like a man who clearly won the fight, which he did.

I am sorry I don't want to keep this going in circles, we understand eachother, but I got to get this last one out there:

Yea, the investigation found that two judges weren't licensed in New Jersey.

Since when does having any kind certification out of New Jersey place you above su****ion?

Maybe NOT being licensed in New Jersey is the statement of integrity we should look for?

P.S. The above author was born and raised in Paterson, New Jersey.

[mrbig1]

Yes, he very obviously is an ATG fighter.

So, his resume is as good as Duran or Leonard? I don't think I saw this many title fights against nobodies. I wonder if HBO and his team knew about his glass jaw.

[ShoulderRoll]

Yes, he very obviously is an ATG fighter.

But according to many posters on this forum Jones' best win was against Toney. Who you say was not a great fighter.

Can one be an ATG if the best victory on their resume wasn't against a great?

[IronDanHamza]

But according to many posters on this forum Jones' best win was against Toney. Who you say was not a great fighter.

Can one be an ATG if the best victory on their resume wasn't against a great?

Firstly, yes they can. Beating ATG's is not something that happens often.

Secondly, his best win is Hopkins who is an ATG. So Jones does have a win over an ATG on his resume.

Thirdly, Toney is a second ballot HOF'er in his prime, something else that's rare for a fighter to have on their resume.

So, yes.

[IronDanHamza]

I am sorry I don't want to keep this going in circles, we understand eachother, but I got to get this last one out there:

Yea, the investigation found that two judges weren't licensed in New Jersey.

Since when does having any kind certification out of New Jersey place you above su****ion?

Maybe NOT being licensed in New Jersey is the statement of integrity we should look for?

P.S. The above author was born and raised in Paterson, New Jersey.

They weren't licensed to judge that fight, that's a fact.

[IronDanHamza]

So, his resume is as good as Duran or Leonard? I don't think I saw this many title fights against nobodies. I wonder if HBO and his team knew about his glass jaw.

His resume isn't as good as theirs, no. Is that the standard of an ATG? Having a resume as good as Leonard's or Durans?

How many ATG's are there to you? 12? 13?

[Willie Pep 229]

They weren't licensed to judge that fight, that's a fact.

Wow, OK --> they were not licensed by the New Jersey Boxing Commission; Larry Harzard preciding.

You are championing a corrupt State, a corrupt commission, and a questionablely corrupt man.

So now I'll say it directly. They not being connected to NJ is a possible statement of integrity.

You are trying to sell me that the absence of a commission or scantioning body will create corruption. I would argue they're inclusion helps create it.

[IronDanHamza]

Wow, OK --> they were not licensed by the New Jersey Boxing Commission; Larry Harzard preciding.

You are championing a corrupt State, a corrupt commission, and a questionablely corrupt man.

So now I'll say it directly. They not being connected to NJ is a possible statement of integrity.

You are trying to sell me that the absence of a commission or scantioning body will create corruption. I would argue they're inclusion helps create it.

I don't really care.

The judges weren't sanctioned to judge that fight.

They were criminally investigated due to the fact they scored the fight for the guy who clearly lost.

These are the facts of the matter.

[Willow The Wisp]

His resume isn't as good as theirs, no. Is that the standard of an ATG? Having a resume as good as Leonard's or Durans?

How many ATG's are there to you? 12? 13?

Bingo. You must set the criteria before soliciting the answer for a question like this to work. Jeez-us.
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