Ezzard Charles vs Manny Pacquiao - Who ranks higher P4P?

[Rolling Stone]

You're such a self proclaimed expert whatt****er. esposed for what i know?? lol


Flyweight, Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight. that's four right?



the divisions he didnt win. Bantamweight, Middleweight, Lt Heavyweight and Heavyweight.



He has claim at lightweight and Welterweight. Cotto is a legit win. Stop praising yourself.


is that not half of the original eight?

you idiot.....what do you think i was talking about??? we were talking about lineal championships....if you only count Pacquiao's lineal titles they would only amass to 2 division from the original 8

[Rolling Stone]

hahahahaha. i see you have reading problems. I didnt say they were lineal. But he had claims of those divisions which are valid titles.

claims mean nothing when there are 5 championships in 17 weight classes.....to be fair to the fighters of the past who had to deal with 1 title in 8 divisions, when you are going to compare them to fighters of today, in this instance, Ezzard Charles and Manny Pacquiao....you have to be as fair as possible......if Pacquiao fought in Charles Era...he would only be a 2 division Champion

[Castor_Troy]

claims mean nothing when there are 5 championships in 17 weight classes.....to be fair to the fighters of the past who had to deal with 1 title in 8 divisions, when you are going to compare them to fighters of today, in this instance, Ezzard Charles and Manny Pacquiao....you have to be as fair as possible......if Pacquiao fought in Charles Era...he would only be a 2 division Champion

uLOL. So the Cotto win doesnt count to you?

what is your original account? you registered this month?

[DeepSleep]

yes i agree that Ezzard Charles resume is unreal.. yet never have i seen Charles name on anyones ATG top 10 heavyweight list, IMO Charles could cut-it with the very best so it is annoying to not see him included on most lists.. Charles resume is far better than Pacquiao`s resume But he never achieved as much in terms of titles won as did Pacquiao, there is no doubt about it that Pacquiao is a phenominal fighter and worthy of being labelled in the same bracket as Robinson & Armstrong... both Pacquiao & Charles are the stuff that legends are made of..

Same bracket as Robinson and Armstrong? Whoah I don't think PacMan is even the best fighter of his generation let alone a P4P Top 10 ATG. He is a great fighter but in order to be compared to SRR & Armstrong he needs to do quite a bit of work to his WW resume first. To be honest the way his fights are scheduled now makes me very skeptical of whether he has really improved since the last JMM fight or carefully selected opponents have hid some of his weaknesses but thankfully I think the Joshua Clottey fight will be a great benchmark to see how much he has improved.

[Rolling Stone]

uLOL. So the Cotto win doesnt count to you?

what is your original account? you registered this month?

we are talking about lineal championships you little worm.....the Cotto fight was not for the Lineal title

[TheGreatA]

Top 10 contenders and hall of famers beaten:

Ezzard Charles

Marty Simmons
Anton Christoforidis
Booker Beckwith
Jose Basora
Mose Brown
Billy Smith (x2)
Erv Sarlin (x2)
Fitzie Fitzpatrick (x2)
Sam Baroudi
Elmer Ray
Joe Baksi
Gus Lesnevich
Steve Mamakos
Pat Valentino
Freddie Beshore
Nick Barone
Lee Oma
Rex Layne (x2)
Joe Kahut
Cesar Brion
Tommy Harrison
Bob Satterfield
Coley Wallace
Charley Norkus
John Holman

Charley Burley (x2)
Joey Maxim (x5)
Archie Moore (x3)
Jimmy Bivins (x4)
Jersey Joe Walcott (x2)
Joe Louis
Lloyd Marshall (x2)
Teddy Yarosz

[Castor_Troy]

we are talking about lineal championships you little worm.....the Cotto fight was not for the Lineal title

Fine. Just two lineal titles.

But do you not consider the Cotto win as a legit Welterweight title?

[DeepSleep]

Top 10 contenders and hall of famers beaten:

Ezzard Charles

Marty Simmons
Teddy Yarosz
Anton Christoforidis
Booker Beckwith
Jose Basora
Mose Brown
Billy Smith (x2)
Erv Sarlin (x2)
Fitzie Fitzpatrick (x2)
Sam Baroudi
Elmer Ray
Joe Baksi
Gus Lesnevich
Steve Mamakos
Pat Valentino
Freddie Beshore
Nick Barone
Lee Oma
Rex Layne (x2)
Joe Kahut
Cesar Brion
Tommy Harrison
Bob Satterfield
Coley Wallace
Charley Norkus
John Holman

Charley Burley (x2)
Joey Maxim (x5)
Archie Moore (x3)
Jimmy Bivins (x4)
Jersey Joe Walcott (x2)
Joe Louis
Lloyd Marshall (x2)

I think you may have forgot to list Teddy Yarosz as a HOF.

[Rolling Stone]

Fine. Just two lineal titles.

But do you not consider the Cotto win as a legit Welterweight title?

Pacquiao won the title for that fight so what do you think?

[Castor_Troy]

Top 10 contenders and hall of famers beaten:

Ezzard Charles

Marty Simmons
Teddy Yarosz
Anton Christoforidis
Booker Beckwith
Jose Basora
Mose Brown
Billy Smith (x2)
Erv Sarlin (x2)
Fitzie Fitzpatrick (x2)
Sam Baroudi
Elmer Ray
Joe Baksi
Gus Lesnevich
Steve Mamakos
Pat Valentino
Freddie Beshore
Nick Barone
Lee Oma
Rex Layne (x2)
Joe Kahut
Cesar Brion
Tommy Harrison
Bob Satterfield
Coley Wallace
Charley Norkus
John Holman

Charley Burley (x2)
Joey Maxim (x5)
Archie Moore (x3)
Jimmy Bivins (x4)
Jersey Joe Walcott (x2)
Joe Louis
Lloyd Marshall (x2)

Where do you have pacquiao in your TOP 100 list as of this point?