Ezzard Charles vs Manny Pacquiao - Who ranks higher P4P?

[crold1]

the case ezzard charles is comparable to larry holmes, he was also the follower of a big name - joe louis, thats why the most boxingfans overlooked him back then.
if u go by the 8 traditional divions, and just count beating the lineal champ, how many REAL titles do pacquiao own?
in my book pacquiao is overrated by the media, and floyd would easily expose him.

Eight traditional is a misnomer. There were great champions in classes like 130 and 140 as early as the 30s. Anytime you're the man in a class which once made home for names like Arguello, Chocolate, Chavez, Pryor, Berg etc. (some one, some the other) you're in a real division with real history.

[crold1]

yes i agree that Ezzard Charles resume is unreal.. yet never have i seen Charles name on anyones ATG top 10 heavyweight list, IMO Charles could cut-it with the very best so it is annoying to not see him included on most lists.. Charles resume is far better than Pacquiao`s resume But he never achieved as much in terms of titles won as did Pacquiao, there is no doubt about it that Pacquiao is a phenominal fighter and worthy of being labelled in the same bracket as Robinson & Armstrong... both Pacquiao & Charles are the stuff that legends are made of..

I don't think Ezz was a top ten heavyweight, though Bert Sugar had him there a few years ago and a case can be made. I rated him 13 a few months ago at Middle and 1 at Light Heavyweight and he'll be in the top 20 Heavies.

Charles resume in terms of titles is thinner than Pac's (lineal or alphabelt) but he had far less opportunity and less titles available to him. In terms of great wins against great fighters?

It's not really that close. Charles beat a prime Archie Moore three times, beat Burley twice at Middle, blasted through Maxim and Bivins and Marshall mutliple times, should have bested Walcott 3 of 4...just a sick, sick fighter. In terms of best wins, he rates with or better than Robinson. He lags behind with worse losses.

[Junito-Rulez]

Pacquiao beat 2 Welterweights. One had no business fighting at WW anymore and was dead at the weight. The other came off 2 brutal beatings in his last 3 fights. Yet Pacquiao beat the best WWs of his time...none of them with the name Floyd Mayweather or Shane Mosley.

Allllllllrighty then.

By the way, Ezzard was the best LHW of the 40s. This no one can refute. What weight division did Pac ever dominate? Or did he just pick and choose his fights and move from one weight class to the next? How exactly is he "dominating" his era when he's never taken on all comers, never cleaned out a division, never been undisputed Champion. Pac has been pretty impressive at winning world titles, pretty unremarkable at unifying or defending them.

I agree like i said but boxing isn't ruled the same way, so you have to judge a fighter based on what happens in his era.
Ezzard CHarles would get fights against some handpicked opponents too, just like Roy did in the 90es.

I don't know a lot of fighters who do what you said nowadays. Boxing works with hype and mega selling PPV cards, like the DREAM MATCH who should have been called the MIS MATCH.

[boxingfan4lif]

The Best of the Decade of GIVING IT ALL FOR THE FANS,thats Legendary Manny Pacquiao

Reasons Why Manny Pacquiao.


Titles

Major:

WBC World flyweight champion
IBF World super bantamweight champion
WBC World super featherweight champion
WBC World lightweight champion
WBO World welterweight champion

Minor:

IBO World light welterweight champion

Regional:

OPBF flyweight champion
WBC International super bantamweight champion
WBC International super featherweight champion
The Ring Magazine titles:

World featherweight champion
World super featherweight champion
World light welterweight champion

Lineal Championship titles:

World flyweight champion
World featherweight champion
World junior lightweight champion
World junior welterweight champion

Recognitions:

2000-09 Boxing Writers Association Of America Fighter of the Decade[104]
2000-09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[105]
2000-09 HBO Fighter of the Decade[106]
2000-09 The SweetScience.com Fighter of the Decade [107]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association Of America Fighter of the Year[108][109]
2006 and 2008 SecondsOut.com Fighter of the Year[110]
2008 and 2009 Ring Magazine number 1 Pound for Pound (year-end)
5-Time PSA Sportsman of the Year
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[111]
2008 and 2009 BoxingScene.com Fighter of the Year[112][113]
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[114]
2008 and 2009 TheSweetScience.com Boxer of the Year[115] [116]
2008 and 2009 WBC Boxer of the Year[117][118]
2008 Yahoo Sports Fighter of the Year[119]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[120]
2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year [121]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year [122]
2009 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[123]
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes & Icons Category)[124]
2009 TIME Magazine cover for November issue [125]
2009 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (ranked 57th)[126]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[127]
2009 The Ring Magazine Knockout of the Year
2009 World's Greatest Ever Featherweight [128]
2009 World's Greatest Ever (ranked 2nd) [129]

[boxingfan4lif]

History is and WILL ALWAYS BE THE JUDGE

Manny Pacquiao- FIST OF FURY - ONE in EVERY GENERATION



Manny Pacquiao - Zero to Hero, True Inspiration for all the people living in POVERTY/THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES



Manny Pacquiao is the Last Man Standing during the GOLDEN ERA of Featherweight Division from Flyweight division.



"90s" to 2008(diaz fight) Highlights - Music Vdeo



THERES MORE.........

[JAB5239]

Manny Pacquiao- FIST OF FURY - ONE in EVERY GENERATION



Manny Pacquiao - Zero to Hero, True Inspiration for all the people living in POVERTY/THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES



Manny Pacquiao is the Last Man Standing during the GOLDEN ERA of Featherweight Division from Flyweight division.



"90s" to 2008(diaz fight) Highlights - Music Vdeo



THERES MORE.........

Stop spamming this thread and try posting an original thought.

[boxingfan4lif]

The Best of the Decade of GIVING IT ALL FOR THE FANS

I RECOMENDED WATCH EVERY ROUNDS of Manny Pacquiao FIGHTS to fully APPRECIATE his ONCE IN A LIFETIME BRILLIANCE....True Blessings for Boxing.

Manny!!!!!!

[Schmerzen]

Reasons Why Manny Pacquiao not.

fixed it 4 ya

[boxingfan4lif]

History is and WILL ALWAYS BE THE JUDGE

Stop spamming this thread and try posting an original thought.

HISTORY and EVIDENCE will always JUSTIFY EVERYTHING....well, those are the FACTS and EVIDENCE BEING PRESENTED.....its not just random ****** MADE UP OPINIONS WITHOUT BASES like some people here.

[boxingfan4lif]

Manny Pacquiao the TRUTH

fixed it 4 ya

speaking of losses....do you EVEN know how OLD Manny Pacquiao DURING THOSE 3 losses?
Do YOU EVEN KNOW what is Manny Pacquiaos CONDITION financially, SUPPORT, HEALTH, POVERTY, TRAINING, and TRAINERS around him?

or

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN HOW STRONG MANNY GOT UP and CAME BACK and BECAME "Fighter of the Decade"

along with this RECOGNITIONS:



2000-09 Boxing Writers Association Of America Fighter of the Decade[104]
2000-09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[105]
2000-09 HBO Fighter of the Decade[106]
2000-09 The SweetScience.com Fighter of the Decade [107]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association Of America Fighter of the Year[108][109]
2006 and 2008 SecondsOut.com Fighter of the Year[110]
2008 and 2009 Ring Magazine number 1 Pound for Pound (year-end)
5-Time PSA Sportsman of the Year
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[111]
2008 and 2009 BoxingScene.com Fighter of the Year[112][113]
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[114]
2008 and 2009 TheSweetScience.com Boxer of the Year[115] [116]
2008 and 2009 WBC Boxer of the Year[117][118]
2008 Yahoo Sports Fighter of the Year[119]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[120]
2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year [121]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year [122]
2009 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[123]
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes & Icons Category)[124]
2009 TIME Magazine cover for November issue [125]
2009 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (ranked 57th)[126]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[127]
2009 The Ring Magazine Knockout of the Year
2009 World's Greatest Ever Featherweight [128]
2009 World's Greatest Ever (ranked 2nd) [129]



-Becareful with your JEALOUSY...its one of SEVEN DEADLY SINS for a REASON :-)