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  • rayr0683
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    Originally posted by The Surgeon View Post
    I like Joe Louis to Knock Foreman out in around 6 - 7 rounds, Joe was much quicker and threw the far more technically correct shots that would come inside Big Georges wide swings and thus land first. Foreman had the power to get Louis outta there but im picking the faster better boxer over the bigger stronger man

    Liston? Again im going with Louis, i think this fight goes about 10 or so rounds but i like Joe to stop Sonny late. Agan he'd be the quicker man tho Liston was a better technical fighter than George. Joe might even take a count in this one

    Tyson, hmmmm my two favourite fighters here. Yeah i like Tyson early, im gonna call it Mike Tyson within 4
    I agree with you on most everything....the one thing everyone forgets here, is giving the power automatically to the bigger guys...not always the case...not in alot of cases. Look at Primo Carnera..A big Muscle Freak...but didnt have punching power. Joe louis only needed a 4-5 inch punch, with either hand, to knock you out, square on the chin. he could do that to Tyson, Foreman, Liston, or anyone else....except maybe Rocky Marciano, and a couple of others. Its true, louis is a much better fighter than Foreman. And even Sonny Liston...Liston had all the right training, but lacked heart. Louis didn't lack any Heart. Tyson, was mean, etc...but Louis was far roo talented, and far too Big a Heart, to be scared of Him, like these guys he fought were, Spinks, and Company. All of these modern guys showed a fear of Tyson, you could see it in their eyes...You'd never see that in Rocky Marciano, or Joe Louis...or even Ali. Probably not in Joe Frazier either. But those fighter were from a different crop...much tougher guys.

    Ray

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  • The Surgeon
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    I like Joe Louis to Knock Foreman out in around 6 - 7 rounds, Joe was much quicker and threw the far more technically correct shots that would come inside Big Georges wide swings and thus land first. Foreman had the power to get Louis outta there but im picking the faster better boxer over the bigger stronger man

    Liston? Again im going with Louis, i think this fight goes about 10 or so rounds but i like Joe to stop Sonny late. Agan he'd be the quicker man tho Liston was a better technical fighter than George. Joe might even take a count in this one

    Tyson, hmmmm my two favourite fighters here. Yeah i like Tyson early, im gonna call it Mike Tyson within 4

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  • Vadrigar.
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    Joe Louis would beat Mike Tyson and Joe Frazier, but get slugged out by George Foreman.

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  • Wild Blue Yonda
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    Originally posted by slicksouthpaw16 View Post
    Louis being a slow starter could be deadly against Foreman and Tyson. He didn't necessarily have Ali's foot speed so im not sure if he could get out of the way of Listons jab and power. Hes one my all time favorite heavyweights but these are tough match ups.
    They are tough match-ups for everyone concerned.

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  • slicksouthpaw16
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    Louis being a slow starter could be deadly against Foreman and Tyson. He didn't necessarily have Ali's foot speed so im not sure if he could get out of the way of Listons jab and power. Hes one my all time favorite heavyweights but these are tough match ups.

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  • rayr0683
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    Marciano and Louis both More Talented than Tyson....

    Hello,
    I dont know your age, or if you have taken enough time to study fighter from the Real Days of Fighting!! And I say that because, these guys fought for peanuts, it was all about Pride. And for you to say Tyson has more Talent than Joe Louis, is Insane. The to make a response and say that Rocky Marciano was shy of Tyson's Talent, is another bad response. Rocky Marciano didn't know the meaning of the word Lose!!! And his record spoke for that! he trained like a Machine, Naturally, with no Weights, or Steroids, etc....He was fanatical about his Training, which is why, he could keep punching, even in the 15th Rounds of a Fight...while others were spent long before that. And the Rock could hit you solidly, and powerfully from ever kind of awkward angle that he may have been on. Either of them beat Tyson. You give Tyson far too much credit. it may be due to your age. Ray






    Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
    I haven't watched all of Louis' fights, but from the fights that I have seen, it's apparent that he's never fought anybody on Mike's level, aside from Marciano (who was shy of Mike's talent). Mike was the most dangerous kind of fighter - an ultra evasive, quick handed combo puncher with tons of power in both hands that knew how to get inside and "open up like a son of a *****" and on top of being the most dangerous type, he was the most skilled at being the type of fighter he was, not to mention a great chin and the ability to go 10 rounds with guys that weighed 30 lb's more than he.

    I'm not saying Louis wasn't great, but boxing changed a lot from the time Louis fought to when Mike was fighting, and I just don't see how judging from the style of these guys and watching them on film, anybody could believe that Louis could beat Tyson. I just don't see it happening.

    I feel like Tyson in his prime was in a league all his own - a phenom that the world had never seen anything close to.

    I just don't know that Louis, as quick and accurate as he was, would have the ability to hit Mike enough to hurt him, and I doubt that Louis would be able to dodge or take Mike's punches for more than 6 rounds.

    Unless there is something on film that we can see that shows otherwise.

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  • JAB5239
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    Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
    Hey Gilligan, next time you might want to make sure you're in the green yourself before you try hitting me with red

    Poet
    Lol!! To funny!!

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  • StarshipTrooper
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    Originally posted by boxingbuff View Post
    I would pick all three to KO Louis inside 5 rounds.

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  • boxingbuff
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    Originally posted by J23 View Post
    How does he do against these fighters:

    Goerge Foreman
    Mike Tyson
    Sonny Liston
    I would pick all three to KO Louis inside 5 rounds.

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  • StarshipTrooper
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    Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
    And were David Tua or Oliver McCall "technically decent superheavyweights in fine condition"? Don't change the subject here. Both have been beaten by crusierweights, light heavyweights, who is to say they wouldn't be beaten even worse by an all-time great heavyweight?

    Of course losing (and actually avenging the loss) against a top 25 all-time great heavyweight and a former heavyweight champion is much worse than losing to a china-chinned DaVarryl Williamson and the great 200 lb Mike "Bounty" Hunter. And there was no question about those losses either.
    And Valuev lost to Haye and Chagaev

    Poet

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