How does Joe Louis do against these fighters?

[JAB5239]

I was going to respond, but you already wrote exactly what I was planning to add.

I think you should spend more time posting over here than in NSB. Its fun from time to time, but your knowledge is wasted over there. Jmo my man.

[sleazyfellow]

Louis/Foreman is a toss up, I know Foreman throws wide shots, and Louis threw short ones, but Foreman showed a better chin IMO...if we're talking prime Foreman, both men go down and it goes to decsion for Joe.

A prime Liston? wow, now this is a real tough call, but I'd favor Liston.

Tyson is just too fast a starter, if Joe came in the right mindset like he did against Schmeling it would be very exciting.....it could go both ways, Joe gets Ko'd in 3, or Joe Kos Mike in the later rounds. A better question would be who was the better finisher.

[sonnyboyx2]

IMO Joe Louis takes care of all 3 fighters.. Louis matches up to all 3 of them in height and weight yet he has the better skills, Joe Louis also hits just as hard as all 3 fighters and i see Louis winning against all 3 by late KOs

[CarlosG815]

What happened when guys didn't crumble under his power or reputation? He looked pretty ordinary and wasn't the same fighter who came out with guns blazing for the first 3 or 4 rounds. Ruddock, Smith, Tucker, Ribalta, Ruddock, Green and especially Tillis all proved this. None of them were nearly as talented or powerful as Joe Louis

By the way, thats 7.

Like I said, Prime Tyson. I should mention that I don't consider the Tyson that fought Ruddock to be "prime" which is why I counted 4 fights that went past 7. You can't take anything away from Mike. Ruddock wasn't going to back down. Look at his face after the fight, he can't even move his face and it looks like his jaw could fall onto the ring at any second. For him to stay in the ring after the beating he took, hats off to him, that doesn't take away from Mike.

A lot of those fights went the distance because those dudes were good at holding. Guys that are 2-5" taller than Mike with an extra 20-30 pounds, they figured that a good strategy was to lay on him. You know this is true. Watch the Tillis fight, he did a good job of holding to kill time and limit punishment.

[StarshipTrooper]

Even at his peak Tyson was never as good as his most rabid fans make him out to be. Fighters who generate a lot of offense ALWAYS look spectacular against C level competition and given the right match-ups against B level as well. Rating Heavyweights soley by their peak years I would rate Tyson around 9th or 10th among the ATGs. While I've always stressed that it's possible for any ATG to beat any other ATG on any given night (barring a prohibitive style mis-match such as Tyson, Frazier, and Marciano against Foreman), if they all fought in a 10 fight series I would expect Tyson to a sub .500 record against those occupying the 1 through 8 spots.

Poet

[CarlosG815]

Even at his peak Tyson was never as good as his most rabid fans make him out to be.

That's a bull**** statement and you know it. Just because he made everybody look like a 2nd rate boxer doesn't take anything away from his greatness.

You, like most people, pick a few of Tyson's awesome qualities and forget about everything else and talk as if his other abilities are mediocre just because they may be slightly overshadowed by his other more obvious superior skills (hand speed, punching power, combination's).

Film doesn't lie, and when you watch film, you can not put together a string of supreme boxing talent with many fighters the same way you could with Iron Mike, unless you can show otherwise.

Louis is disposed of, and suffers more punishment than Marciano dished out to him.

[StarshipTrooper]

That's a bull**** statement and you know it. Just because he made everybody look like a 2nd rate boxer doesn't take anything away from his greatness.

You, like most people, pick a few of Tyson's awesome qualities and forget about everything else and talk as if his other abilities are mediocre just because they may be slightly overshadowed by his other more obvious superior skills (hand speed, punching power, combination's).

Film doesn't lie, and when you watch film, you can not put together a string of supreme boxing talent with many fighters the same way you could with Iron Mike, unless you can show otherwise.

Louis is disposed of, and suffers more punishment than Marciano dished out to him.

A nuthugger are we? Must be if you're getting all butt hurt over someone not genuflecting over Leg-Iron Mike the way you do. Film doesn't lie but the quality of opposition doesn't lie either. I've seen fighters come and I've seen them go. If there is one constant among boxing fans it's their propensity to pull their puds over fighters that get spectacular KOs over tomato cans then wonder WTF happend when they get smacked when they step up in class.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Even at his peak Tyson was never as good as his most rabid fans make him out to be. Fighters who generate a lot of offense ALWAYS look spectacular against C level competition and given the right match-ups against B level as well. Rating Heavyweights soley by their peak years I would rate Tyson around 9th or 10th among the ATGs. While I've always stressed that it's possible for any ATG to beat any other ATG on any given night (barring a prohibitive style mis-match such as Tyson, Frazier, and Marciano against Foreman), if they all fought in a 10 fight series I would expect Tyson to a sub .500 record against those occupying the 1 through 8 spots.

Poet

Typical Lennox Lewis nuthugger logic.. "if they fought in a 10 fight series".... when in the History of Boxing have any 2 fighters ever fought in a 10 fight series - answer: NEVER yet Lewis nuthuggers always come out with that same line, "if they fought 10 times Lennox wins 7" what ****ing bull...and like all Lewis nuthuggers they hate Mike Tyson, they hate Tyson and argue about when his prime was, they argue that it was not between 86-90 but that it was more like 86-02 so as to make out that Lewis never beat a zombie when he beat Tyson....

[Schmerzen]

its hard to say how joe louis would do against those fighters, prime louis never faced anyone better than max schmeling and he was 34 when louis beat him in the rematch.
i give him a 50/50 chance to beat tyson and foreman, but liston would beat joe louis pretty easy.
most ppl remember liston from the ali fights, but they forget how he destroyed floyd patterson twice in the first round.
he also beat prime cleveland williams who looked even stronger than foreman in the 50s.
my prediction : liston by ko in 4
liston had a 10" reach advantage over him, thats just too much for a flat footed fighter like louis.

[crold1]

when in the History of Boxing have any 2 fighters ever fought in a 10 fight series - answer: NEVER

Some fought far more than ten.

Ted Lewis-Jack Britton
Sam McVea-Joe Jeanette
Sam Langford-Harry Wills
Burley and Williams fought seven
It's uncommon for such rivalries past the 30s but it has happened.