George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[DMikeS4321]

I agree with McKay...

Foreman beat himself. Ali psyched him, but Forman beat himself. He was out-thought from way before the fight, then he punched himself out on Ali's arms. Given a re-match with a more mature Foreman, Ali loses every time.

Foreman was psyched out, and he was frustrated by Ali (Duran and "No Mas" comes to mind), and he wasn't used to being taken into the late rounds. He was also surprised that Ali could take his punches.

I think he lacked the mental toughness to face an opponent like Ali at that stage of his career, but, if he could have pulled himself together after that loss, learned from it, and gone back at Ali, he would have won. Foreman was just too much physically for Ali, hence Ali's psych job. Ali was ALWAYS psyching someone out, starting with Liston.

If Norton and Shavers and Frazier gave Ali trouble, a Foreman with his head screwed on straight would have REALLY given him trouble. Next to Marciano, Foreman was the heaviest hitter in the history of the sport (I don't think rope-a-dope would have worked with Marciano, he would have torn through Ali's arms like a hot knife...).

[DMikeS4321]

Boston Guy,

I saw the Ali/Lyle fight, and Lyle beat Ali. He didn't beat the hell out of him, but he beat him. One could argue that the momentum shifted back and forth, but the fight shouldn't have been stopped, and it was ONLY stopped because Ali was already being hyped as a legend. Lyle wasn't hurt. He worked way to hard to have been robbed like that, and Ali, as was too often the case, was given the benefit of the (officials) doubt.

[XionComrade]

I think that Shavers hit harder than Foreman did, and Ali still beat him. I know that Marciano doesn't hit as hard as Foreman or Shavers so...

[paul750]

It dosent matter how you try and disguise it, the fact of the matter remains that great boxers will nearly always beat great punchers, Foreman didn't beat himself, Ali beat him clearly, it's just a simple fact, thats just boxing.

[Pak men]

When was Ali's prime? no doubt the fight that made his career was the win over foreman that was in 1974, so you should say 1974 was his prime. His win over Liston is overrated because Liston was all f***ed up when they fought and took a dive in one of the fights. . If Muhammad Ali never beat Foreman he would be regarded so much lower. He lost to Leon Spinks in Spinks's 8th professional fight 5 months after Ali won a UD over Shavers. He lost to Ken Norton in 1971, got his jaw broken in that fight. And Ken Norton was a nobody before he fought Ali, the guy he fought before fighting ALi was 22-8 and so were all the opponents Norton had fought up to that point. His only notable win besides beating ALi was stopping Jerry Quarrey.

Beating Foreman is what made ALI be able to say "I am the greatest" He just had the right game plan and style to beat Foreman.

Foreman made Norton and Frazier and Lyle look like nothing while 2 of those guys beat Ali in his prime. Foreman knocked Norton out in 2. Knocked Frazier down 5 times etc....
Ali basically got lucky against Foreman, if they ever rematched Foreman would have beaten his ass. Ali's mind games got to him and fighting in Africa was kinda a freak thing that might have screwed Georges psyche up.

Foreman KO'd Ron Lyle in 5 while Ali was loosing his fight against Lyle until Ali got a gift premature stoppage, the ref stopped the fight just because Ali flurried basically it was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen, if the ref was honest Lyle would have went on to beat Ali. The win over Lyle is one Ali's biggest wins, and he did not deserve to win that fight. And of course look how much Ali struggled with Frazier but Foreman obliterated him.


George Foreman is better than Ali, George Foreman made Ali, George Foreman is the real greatest of the 70's. George Foreman is the man who made the man who you proclaim falsely as being the man in boxing.

I definitely agee with this one. Ali is not the greatest. And because of his audacity he was given as karma Parkinson's disease. While Big George on the other hand continued to fight and be a world champion in his 40's. Testament of Foreman's strength and durability.

The differences in the outcome of their lives is so contrasting and funny. Ali has parkinson's, Foreman enjoys life and has a strong family and a grandpa. Ali is nothing more than a rundown old man and Foreman continues to be respected and given laurels.

Ali is not the greatest. To claim that he's the greatest is an insult to boxing.

[chopper77]

Pac Man you are a ****! Do you really think people get some **** inflicted on them because they were arrogant as you put it? Ali did that to make money, so shouldn't he have gotten some other form of a disease more in line with that? What about Joe Louis? What do you think he did wrong to die sick and poor? He totally toed the white mans line back in the day, when he could have beat all those racist asswipes easily. Come on man. You hate Ali cause he exposed the piece of **** fighter that George Foreman was then, and is today. I NEVER saw George throw a straight punch, and if you've ever been in the ring you know you need one of those. Your a Forman nut hugger!

[KidBlackie]

[[[You hate Ali cause he exposed the piece of **** fighter that George Foreman was then, and is today. I NEVER saw George throw a straight punch, and if you've ever been in the ring you know you need one of those.]]]
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You're as out of line as the other fella claiming that Ali got what he deserved with Parkinsons. George is an alltime great and threw plenty of straight punches but is often noted for his tremendous wide swings ala Sam Peter.

Where do all these rabid nutcases come from? If crap was brains their shorts would be geniuses!

[chopper77]

All time great? Man you guys are swimming in the shallow end of the pool. Foreman against Dempsey, my money is on mad Jack, Foreman against John L. my money is on John L. Hell man Jimmy Young beat George. Did you see that fight? He also exposed Foreman for the over rated piece of crap heavyweight that he was. I'd put money on a tough ass Greb against Foreman.

[Skydog]

What does Ali having Parkinson's now have to do with how great of a boxer he was?

Both were all-time greats, Ali with a little edge.

[KidBlackie]

[[[All time great? Man you guys are swimming in the shallow end of the pool.]]]
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You ain't got a gene pool to swim in sonny. Flies live on you and boxing is beyond your grasp. George has more KOs than all but one heavy champ in history has wins. Boxing 101.