George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[Skydog]

He was a braggart, and a womanizer. Ali is not the greatest. To say that is a big joke.

And you're still a fool for thinking Tyson ****d that woman. You're indeed an idiot. It was a set-up idiot. Ever heard of Don King betraying his own fighters just to get money? You're indeed a fool.

There is no such thing as the greatest in boxing. There are great ones but no greatest.

I never even said that Ali was the greatest. Find me one part of that post where it said that Ali was the greatest.

I said that saying Ali was the greatest is much better than saying Tyson is.

[Pugnacious_Z]

SKYDOG u dumb mutha ***a, pak man never said tyson was greatest and even he did, its more true then dat ***** ali being teh greatest, he talked more **** then ur mum last night ***get. Ali was a runner, a ***** ass, liston slapped his ass on the streets and he was 2 scared to do anything, u call dat fearless? frazier wud beat him, foreman wud beat him, tyson wud beat him. he was a punk ass ***** like u, ***get

[Skydog]

Tyson was nothing but a brawler and a thug. He beat and ****d women. HE BIT SOMEONE'S ****ING EAR SO HE WOULDN'T GET THE **** KNOCKED OUT OF HIM!!!!
Ali was a *****? I don't remember Ali trying his hardest to not fight Foreman like Tyson. Ali gave up his whole life so he could win. Liston slapped him on the streets? Ali ****ing DESTROYED Liston in the ring. Frazier and Foreman would have beaten him. Who the **** are you kidding? He has beaten both of them. AND HE WASN'T EVEN IN HIS PRIME!!!

[Pak men]

Tyson was nothing but a brawler and a thug. He beat and ****d women. HE BIT SOMEONE'S ****ING EAR SO HE WOULDN'T GET THE **** KNOCKED OUT OF HIM!!!!
Ali was a *****? I don't remember Ali trying his hardest to not fight Foreman like Tyson. Ali gave up his whole life so he could win. Liston slapped him on the streets? Ali ****ing DESTROYED Liston in the ring. Frazier and Foreman would have beaten him. Who the **** are you kidding? He has beaten both of them. AND HE WASN'T EVEN IN HIS PRIME!!!

Hey dumbass, he didn't ****d that woman. I followed the investigation and the evidence presented and there was no ****. It was a set-up. Dn King set Tyson up.

I'm just stating the outcome of both Foreman and Ali's lives. I'm not saying either is the greatest.

I'm just stating that Ali basically has nothing in life. While Big George continues to be respected in the sports community and stands as the epitome of strength and durability. Also Big George is head of the extended Foreman clan. How sweet is that skydog? lol!

[Skydog]

I still don't see how that changes the greatness of either of their sports careers.

[IwatchBoxing]

Ali had like 22 title fights, and fought sussecfuly 15 years (not counting three years), and up till after Leon Spinks in 1978, he beaten everyone who beaten him..he came back in 1980 to lose, than have a final fight in 81.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000180

Foreman had like 7 "real" title defenses, and didnt fight again for 3 years after Ali...which Ali beat everyone Foreman faced in the 70's
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000090

[butterfly1964]

Muhammad Ali is the greatest heavyweight champion, boxing champion, and he is the best athlete in the history of mankind. To say that Foreman, who is not really a pure boxer is better than him is like saying I rather live in a shack than a mansion.

[legend_killer]

Ali never gave up

When was Ali's prime? no doubt the fight that made his career was the win over foreman that was in 1974, so you should say 1974 was his prime. His win over Liston is overrated because Liston was all f***ed up when they fought and took a dive in one of the fights. . If Muhammad Ali never beat Foreman he would be regarded so much lower. He lost to Leon Spinks in Spinks's 8th professional fight 5 months after Ali won a UD over Shavers. He lost to Ken Norton in 1971, got his jaw broken in that fight. And Ken Norton was a nobody before he fought Ali, the guy he fought before fighting ALi was 22-8 and so were all the opponents Norton had fought up to that point. His only notable win besides beating ALi was stopping Jerry Quarrey.

Beating Foreman is what made ALI be able to say "I am the greatest" He just had the right game plan and style to beat Foreman.

Foreman made Norton and Frazier and Lyle look like nothing while 2 of those guys beat Ali in his prime. Foreman knocked Norton out in 2. Knocked Frazier down 5 times etc....
Ali basically got lucky against Foreman, if they ever rematched Foreman would have beaten his ass. Ali's mind games got to him and fighting in Africa was kinda a freak thing that might have screwed Georges psyche up.

Foreman KO'd Ron Lyle in 5 while Ali was loosing his fight against Lyle until Ali got a gift premature stoppage, the ref stopped the fight just because Ali flurried basically it was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen, if the ref was honest Lyle would have went on to beat Ali. The win over Lyle is one Ali's biggest wins, and he did not deserve to win that fight. And of course look how much Ali struggled with Frazier but Foreman obliterated him.


George Foreman is better than Ali, George Foreman made Ali, George Foreman is the real greatest of the 70's. George Foreman is the man who made the man who you proclaim falsely as being the man in boxing.

Foreman's power was incredible, but his attitude ******. Rather than look for a rematch or fight to regain his position at the top, Foreman became depressed and gave the sport up. Ali lost to Frazier, but he kept on fighting because he wanted it that bad. The fact that you have even suggested that Foreman is the reason Ali was great is an insult to Ali and everything he stood for.

Ali knew that it wasn't over until the final bell rang and he kept going after losing. That's what every great fighter does. Foreman proved to everyone that unless he's beating opponents senseless, he's not much of a fighter. A fighter does more than just throw punches in the ring. He fights for his life. Ali was stripped of his title because he refused to fight a war that he did not believe in. Yet despite all of that, he came back and achieved greatness. Ali is the epitome of greatness because boxing was his life.

[butterfly1964]

Foreman's power was incredible, but his attitude ******. Rather than look for a rematch or fight to regain his position at the top, Foreman became depressed and gave the sport up. Ali lost to Frazier, but he kept on fighting because he wanted it that bad. The fact that you have even suggested that Foreman is the reason Ali was great is an insult to Ali and everything he stood for.

Ali knew that it wasn't over until the final bell rang and he kept going after losing. That's what every great fighter does. Foreman proved to everyone that unless he's beating opponents senseless, he's not much of a fighter. A fighter does more than just throw punches in the ring. He fights for his life. Ali was stripped of his title because he refused to fight a war that he did not believe in. Yet despite all of that, he came back and achieved greatness. Ali is the epitome of greatness because boxing was his life.

it looks like this guy knows what he is talking about. read my thread on the ali-terrel bout.

[Salah]

you got it wrong

Apparently, you know some history, but you don't know boxing. Otherwise, you would have concluded that Ali was the greatest of all time. In order to understand Ali, you need to undertsand his style. Ali was the fastest heavyweight champion ever. He had hand speed that he kept even after his prime, and he had foot speed that he seemed to have partially lost after his comeback. Ali had a punching power, unlike common belief (especially if you look at stat or records). However, Ali was a defensive fighter and he often did not go for the kill when he hurt his opponent. I watched most of his fights. He could have an early knock out but chose to play with his opponents for a while. But let's talk about some facts:

First, Ali used to run away from punches as opposed trying to slip a punch. Because of that he was suscipitable for knock downs. Ali was knocked down by few of his opponents, but he always got up on the first count, and it was always while he was running backward. In other words, he was not knocked down because he was hurt, but more because he was out of balance running backward when he happended to be hit. That cost him his first fight against Frazier. A fight he should have won otherwise. And remember Ali was inactive for 4 years because he refused to be inducted to the military. Ali's timing was off.

Second, how can you say anything about Ali's performance against Norton in their first fight. Ali's Jaw was broken while been reckless taunting his opponent. It was broken in the second round. Lesser men would have quit. Ali fought 10 more rounds, and barely lost a split descion. Ali had demonstrated courage and greatness in his loss more than any of his wins.

Third, Ali is a smart boxer. He undertsands that you need to save your energy for later rounds. That is why he does not go for the kill early, just in case if his opponent did not fall, he will have gas in the tank. If you noticed, Ali never try to throw too many hooks. The right or left hook is the most powerful punch if it lands. All Foreman did is to throw hooks. Unfortunately, you exert lots of energy throwing hooks, especially if you miss, you are wide open. Try punching a heavy bag by throwing right and left hooks all the time, you won't last a round. Then try to throw multiple jabs mix it with frequent right hand, and occasionally right or left hook, you will last much longer. If Ali (who has punching power) threw many hooks as Formean did, he would have more knock outs and early round wins. In summary Ali is the best fighter of all time, because:
1. Had great stamina, Foreman did not
2. The fastest in the heavyweight division, Forman was too slow
3. Incredible foot work, enjoyable to watch. Foreman's fights are boring.
4. Great defensive skills, hard to hit. Foreman was an easy target.
5. Great jab, nobody came close. Foreman had no jab.
6. Most importantly, he always had a game plan, Foreman much of the same

Finally, think about somebody who became rich in a short period of time by investing $10,000 in the dot com companies in the late 1999's and somebody who became rich by developing a good and sound business plan. You may say the guy who become rich investing in the dot com companies is better invester because he did it quickly compared to other guy. But when the dot com collapsed, that guy lost everything while the other one remained rich. If you have a punching power like Foreman, Tyson and Ali, you can use it early but if the fighter in front of you does not fall (like Ali against Foreman, or Buster Douglas against Tyson), then you are done. Like the dot com. But if you have a good and sound plan that is well executed, then that is how you win over the long run.

Don't read stats, just watch the fights.

And by the way, Ali was the first man to knock out Ron Lyle. He hit him 30 times before the refree stopped it. I don't care what Ron's corner man said after the fight. It was well stopped fight. Foreman fell down 10 times against Ron before he knocked him out. It was a reduculas fight. Both fighters kept falling down. Nobody had any game plan. That is another example of you reading stats and not watching the game. Get your fact straight. If I have to guess, your fantasy football team sucks (if you have one) since all you do is read stats, not analyzing the game. And by the way, i like Foreman and have great respect for him, but he is not as talented as Ali.