Hagler vs. Leonard!!

[sonnyboyx2]

If Roldan had NOT been thumbed, there is no saying how the fight may have gone... Marvin was having big trouble with Roldans rolling-in two-fisted style... i am a big fan of both these fighters and back in 84 i was eagerly awaiting this fight yet it turned into an anti-climax after the 2nd round due to Roldans injury... Roldan came into the fight virtually undefeated in 50 fights, he was as rough and tough as they come

[donkim]

Leonard a hopeless washout? I don't think so. and one loss still does not determine an entire career.

Yes, I think so.He didn't do a damn thing else worth speaking about in his return.

You are basing this on what, the Howard Davis fight and his decision to retire again? Its obvious he wasn't finished as he has wins over Hagler, Duran, LaLonde and a draw with Hearns (yeah, I thought he lost too) after the fact.

I base it on him having fought just nine rounds in over five years.I base it on his well documented abuse of *******.


The Dooran apologists will tell you that Leonard's victory over Dooran the third time didn't mean anything.Dooran was shot and out of shape and showed up for a payday.

He was very fortunate enough to receive a draw against a fading Thomas Hearns,hurting him numerous times throughout the fight and yet failing to finish off when he had Hearns on ***** street.

I could be wrong, but I thought Leonard only dabbled in ******* for a short period. You are making it seem like he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at the local crack den day in and day out.

Hardly a short period.He has claimed as long as a four year dependency on alcohol and *******.

So he thumbed him, big deal. This is boxing and these things happen. You've tried to make it sound intentional thought just as you tried to make it sound intentional with Duran.

Well it was a big deal because when your fighting another man,complete eye sight does help.Both Hagler and Duran were notoriously dirty fighters.Duran's antics during the Davey Moore fight were an absolute disgrace.

[them_apples]

Hagler.

the commentator made it sound like Leonard was dominating, it was just pure flash.

throughout most of the fight Leonard landed snappy flashy punches, Hagler just kept coming.

I would have liked it if Hagler closed well, but still he landed the meaner shots and I give him the sd.

[Bigdaddy_Vh]

Hagler is slated for losing to a washed up,inactive smaller man and rightfully so.If he was as great as they say,he would have not only have beaten Leonard,but stopped him in a convincing fashion.

I guess with this logic(and based off of your avatar) one must assume that Bonavena was a washed up bastard as well. Using the same logic, if he wasnt washed up, he wouldnt have lost to frazier. twice...

[donkim]

I guess with this logic(and based off of your avatar) one must assume that Bonavena was a washed up bastard as well. Using the same logic, if he wasnt washed up, he wouldnt have lost to frazier. twice...

I have no idea what you are talking about.If anybody else does then please give me a clue.

[HaglerSteelChin]

If Roldan had NOT been thumbed, there is no saying how the fight may have gone... Marvin was having big trouble with Roldans rolling-in two-fisted style... i am a big fan of both these fighters and back in 84 i was eagerly awaiting this fight yet it turned into an anti-climax after the 2nd round due to Roldans injury... Roldan came into the fight virtually undefeated in 50 fights, he was as rough and tough as they come

Many argentine fighters are known for being tough and having great chins. Its a shame that Roldan had that eye problem in the end of RD3. It actually happened toward the end of the 3rd RD. I think the fight would have gone to the late RDs as 14 or 15 with Hagler eventually winning. Roldan did win the first 2 Rds and it was getting close in the 3rd RD as Hagler started to box and did land some decent shots.

Even with the bad eye Roldan still soldiered on. Even the Hagler corner said "you got a one eyed fighter and now he is just a punching bag Marv.....just a punching bag."

Some argue about the KD. It was one of those half slips and half punches that was landed in top of the head. It could have scored either way.

Roldan almost KOD Hearns for the vacant MW title in 1987 i believe. But Hearns held on and than KOD Roldan. It was the last chance for Roldan to be a MW champ.

[JAB5239]

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Hardly a short period.He has claimed as long as a four year dependency on alcohol and *******.

From the Washington post, March 31, 1991.

Sugar Ray Leonard said yesterday that he used ******* from 1983 to 1986 and also drank alcohol heavily during those three years following surgery for a detached retina that threatened to end his boxing career. An emotional Leonard attributed his failed marriage to his behavior, and said he stopped using drugs because he wanted to be a better father to his two sons.

It says here he only used ******* from 1983 to 1986. Nothing about being dependent or having some extreme habit. Care to refute?

[sonnyboyx2]

Many argentine fighters are known for being tough and having great chins. Its a shame that Roldan had that eye problem in the end of RD3. It actually happened toward the end of the 3rd RD. I think the fight would have gone to the late RDs as 14 or 15 with Hagler eventually winning. Roldan did win the first 2 Rds and it was getting close in the 3rd RD as Hagler started to box and did land some decent shots.

Even with the bad eye Roldan still soldiered on. Even the Hagler corner said "you got a one eyed fighter and now he is just a punching bag Marv.....just a punching bag."

Some argue about the KD. It was one of those half slips and half punches that was landed in top of the head. It could have scored either way.

Roldan almost KOD Hearns for the vacant MW title in 1987 i believe. But Hearns held on and than KOD Roldan. It was the last chance for Roldan to be a MW champ.

very true... Thomas Hearns said "Roldan was the hardest hitter & toughest guy he ever fought and that includes Leonard & Hagler"...... i am a huge Roldan fan and have quite alot of his fights.. Roldan once fought a 500lb Grizzly bear that was muzzled & gloved, there was a nasty cut but they patched the bear up and sent it back out again"

[HaglerSteelChin]

very true... Thomas Hearns said "Roldan was the hardest hitter & toughest guy he ever fought and that includes Leonard & Hagler"...... i am a huge Roldan fan and have quite alot of his fights.. Roldan once fought a 500lb Grizzly bear that was muzzled & gloved, there was a nasty cut but they patched the bear up and sent it back out again"

He definitely had Hearns on ***** street but hearns unlike the SRL leonard fight knew how to hold on. Roldan had won like 14 fights in row after the Hagler loss, and even KOD James kinchen. I do think he was one of the best MW's that didnt become champ like Briscoe and Armstrong who felt short. BTW, before people jump on me i am not saying roldan is as good as armstrong.

I thought Baldomir would give PBF some trouble due to great chin and awkward style which Roldan also had. Baldomir was from Santa Fe, Argentina same as Monzon who i think was possibly the greatest latin fighter although he was far from a good human being.

[GJC]

because that last fight and that one loss occured to a hopeless washout who had no business doing what he did.

Ray Leonard was finished as an elite fighter the moment he retired in 1982.

******* abuse and inactivity will destroy a young athlete in their prime.


Leonard was there to be finished off in dramatic fashion and Hagler couldn't do it.





Hagler did thumb him,that is an absolute fact.Roldan's eye was completely shut.

Well we pretty much know who you don't like, how about you tell us what fighters you do like? It is much harder to paint a picture than put your foot through one. You just seem to me to be a very negative person who takes pleasure in villyfying fighters based on little evidence and insulting posters. You don't contribute much to these forums apart from a dark cloud, it is a pity as I believe you are an intelligant knowledgable poster if you chose to contribute rather than just want to irritate.