Boxing Historical Archive GPT: Johnson's own words

[Dr Z]

You keep trying all this misdirection to avoid my question. How did Vits miraculously healed to try and make a Maskeav fight? We're not talking about 2006 so I don't understand why you keep bringing it up other than the fact that you're to dense to follow the timeline. You also haven't provided any links to "at some point most choose to someone else only to choose another option " or you background in boxing not including you boxing forum experience. Im the clown? Why don't you tell us again how Tyson was up on all cards when he finally knocked Botha out? Between you and Queenie you could duke it out for the history sections king of the Bozo's title.

You don't anwswer my questions, which I find weak.

Who would you pick if Vitali was uninjured at the time of the fight in 2005 with Rahman?

Or if Vitali picked a shop worn Rhaman that was not a top 10 magazine is that a better choice than Peter when Vitali returned from his multi year hiatus??

You can answer my two questions directly?

I shall answer your questions first. It took Vitali 2006-2008 to heal and he was doing ohter things outside the ring. And VK was trying to fight a ranked guy next, and he did. Peter got the fight with Maskeav and was #2 ranked, so he fought him out of the ring for 3+ years and whipped him.


You must have been a good sparring partner. You can take a beating with the best of them. You sir and punch drunk.


Now answer my questions .

[JAB5239]

I shall answer your questions first. It took Vitali 2006-2008 to heal and he was doing ohter things outside the ring. And VK was trying to fight a ranked guy next, and he did. Peter got the fight with Maskeav and was #2 ranked, so he fought him out of the ring for 3+ years and whipped him.


You must have been a good sparring partner. You can take a beating with the best of them. You sir and punch drunk.


Now answer my questions .

You sir and punch drunk? You need serious help, and you still haven't answered my question. Why was Vits trying to make a fight with Maskaev in September 2005 after Rahman signed to fight Barrett because Vits backed out of their fight in August 2005 saying he could not be ready? You keep ignoring this and or trying to change the timeline because you know it torpedoes all of your excuses.

[Dr Z]

You sir and punch drunk? You need serious help, and you still haven't answered my question. Why was Vits trying to make a fight with Maskaev in September 2005 after Rahman signed to fight Barrett because Vits backed out of their fight in August 2005 saying he could not be ready? You keep ignoring this and or trying to change the timeline because you know it torpedoes all of your excuses.

I'm not the guy punch drunk enough to fight in a combat match at 50+, cowboy. Which you said you did. You and Oliver McCall. Your brain is damaged... I respect anyone who steps in the ring that is below 50 and of sound mine. Those who aren't not get matched vs. 6'5" guys when they are but 5'10" tall. How did that match work out for you? Were you able to last the distance like Oliver?



I say again in 2008 and 2009, Rahman was not ranked by ring magazines whose ratings are fair and influenced by a certain wire haired promoter.


I ask you again:

Who would you pick if Vitali was uninjured at the time of the fight in 2005 with Rahman?

Or if Vitali picked a shop-worn Rhaman that was not a top 10 magazine, is that a better choice than the winner of Peter vs Maskeav who were both ranked when Vitali returned from his multi year hiatus?


Of course you duck, avoid , and ignore such questions that are credible. Your acertaion that Vitali ducked Rhaman in 2008-2009 is laughable. But I think I shall have fun with you selective mutism.


He was injured when their fight was scheduled in 2005 that he signed for. Got it? No way he signed if he was " ducking " Rhaman.

On a serious note if you have brain damage ( CTE ) just say so and I will stop making fun of it.

[JAB5239]

I'm not the guy punch drunk enough to fight in a combat match at 50+, cowboy. Which you said you did. You and Oliver McCall. Your brain is damaged... I respect anyone who steps in the ring that is below 50 and of sound mine. Those who aren't not get matched vs. 6'5" guys when they are but 5'10" tall. How did that match work out for you? Were you able to last the distance like Oliver?



I say again in 2008 and 2009, Rahman was not ranked by ring magazines whose ratings are fair and influenced by a certain wire haired promoter.


I ask you again:

Who would you pick if Vitali was uninjured at the time of the fight in 2005 with Rahman?

Or if Vitali picked a shop-worn Rhaman that was not a top 10 magazine, is that a better choice than the winner of Peter vs Maskeav who were both ranked when Vitali returned from his multi year hiatus?


Of course you duck, avoid , and ignore such questions that are credible. Your acertaion that Vitali ducked Rhaman in 2008-2009 is laughable. But I think I shall have fun with you selective mutism.


He was injured when their fight was scheduled in 2005 that he signed for. Got it? No way he signed if he was " ducking " Rhaman.

On a serious note if you have brain damage ( CTE ) just say so and I will stop making fun of it.

If he was injured than why was he trying to make a Maskaev fight only to have HBO reject it?

[them_apples]

turns out, they did have a deal, here is the excerpt and source. We know Ketchels punch didn't land, but this was taken from the sources directly.

Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchel had a deal regarding their fight. According to Johnson, they agreed to have a close, twenty-round fight where Johnson would win on points. This arrangement was intended to generate public interest and create demand for a rematch, which would be financially lucrative for both. The deal was orchestrated by Ketchel's manager, Willis Britt, who also arranged for Johnson and Ketchel to split 40 percent of the proceeds from the films of their fight. During the actual fight, Johnson appeared to hold back and entertain the crowd rather than aggressively trying to knock Ketchel out. However, in the twelfth round, Ketchel broke from the agreement by attempting a knockout blow against Johnson, effectively betraying the deal. Ketchel lunged suddenly, landing a punch that knocked Johnson down briefly. Johnson, surprised and angered by this treachery, responded with a powerful combination that knocked Ketchel out, visibly injuring him. There are alternate interpretations suggesting the knockout in the twelfth round might have been part of a prearranged plan, but the most widely accepted account is that Ketchel double-crossed Johnson. This betrayal by Ketchel backfired, leading to his own knockout and serious injury. In summary, yes, Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchel had a deal to prolong the fight with Johnson winning on points, but Ketchel broke the agreement with a surprise attack, which led to his being "backstabbed" in the sense of betrayal and a brutal knockout by Johnson. Sources: Unforgivable Blackness - The Rise And Fall of Jack Johnson [Geoffrey C. Ward], The Boxing Kings When American Heavyweights Ruled the Ring [Paul Beston], The Last Great PrizeFight Johnson Vs. Jeffries Reno, July 4,1910 [Steven Frederick].pdf

[Bronson66]

turns out, they did have a deal, here is the excerpt and source. We know Ketchels punch didn't land, but this was taken from the sources directly.

Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchel had a deal regarding their fight. According to Johnson, they agreed to have a close, twenty-round fight where Johnson would win on points. This arrangement was intended to generate public interest and create demand for a rematch, which would be financially lucrative for both. The deal was orchestrated by Ketchel's manager, Willis Britt, who also arranged for Johnson and Ketchel to split 40 percent of the proceeds from the films of their fight. During the actual fight, Johnson appeared to hold back and entertain the crowd rather than aggressively trying to knock Ketchel out. However, in the twelfth round, Ketchel broke from the agreement by attempting a knockout blow against Johnson, effectively betraying the deal. Ketchel lunged suddenly, landing a punch that knocked Johnson down briefly. Johnson, surprised and angered by this treachery, responded with a powerful combination that knocked Ketchel out, visibly injuring him. There are alternate interpretations suggesting the knockout in the twelfth round might have been part of a prearranged plan, but the most widely accepted account is that Ketchel double-crossed Johnson. This betrayal by Ketchel backfired, leading to his own knockout and serious injury. In summary, yes, Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchel had a deal to prolong the fight with Johnson winning on points, but Ketchel broke the agreement with a surprise attack, which led to his being "backstabbed" in the sense of betrayal and a brutal knockout by Johnson. Sources: Unforgivable Blackness - The Rise And Fall of Jack Johnson [Geoffrey C. Ward], The Boxing Kings When American Heavyweights Ruled the Ring [Paul Beston], The Last Great PrizeFight Johnson Vs. Jeffries Reno, July 4,1910 [Steven Frederick].pdf

Those are not sources , Ward doesn;t give them in his book!
Johnson telegrammed his family and told them to bet on him winning inside 14 rds and bet on that himself and that is from a source in Pollack's book! It's confirmed Johnson made that bet ,and that being the case .why would he have done so if he intended to carry Ketchel the distance?

Johnson certainly carried Ketchel, twice holding him up when he unintentionally hit him too hard,but he did so to prolong the fight and add value to the movies of the action.
ps It's Willus Britt