Boxing Historical Archive GPT: Johnson's own words

[Dr Z]

By the time the fight was signed Vits had skipped out 3 times on his mandatory challenger Rahman. Media reports said he got dropped in sparring and was getting ****** up. He had a minor knee injury (supposedly) and saw two doctors who fit him with a brace. Neither determined he would be unable to fight. So not being able to get out of the 4th ?fight Vits retired one month before he was set to be stripped. At that point Vits had never faced a mandatory challenger for both the WBO and WBC titles. Apparently Ole Vits had a problem facing mandatories. He pulled the same crap with Siverne as he did with Rahman postponing several time before retiring again. There's another duck. Vits was a good fighter, but he's not great. He always to the easiest route, never challenging himself whether it was avoiding ABC mandatories or never trying to make the toughest fights with the best Ring ranked fighters. His career was mapped out using the path of least resistance

Learn and embrace the FACTS!!

Sure, I will embrace " media " alleged facts. And even your hater yourself says " supposedly ". Maybe you do not realise who you sound silly to.


What next, he ducked the re-match with Lewis? After all according to you, he seeked the path of least resistance. As I told you time and again....


Here is some free advice. Get some help.

[JAB5239]

Sure, I will embrace " media " alleged facts. And even your hater yourself says " supposedly ". Maybe you do not realise who you sound silly to.


What next, he ducked
the re-match with Lewis? After all according to you, he seeked the path of least resistance. As I told you time and again....


Here is some free advice. Get some help.

Is it a media fact hrnskipped out on 4 negotiate dates with Rahman and 3 with Stiverne? Why don't you tell us how many mandatories he actually fought? Poor Vits and all his little injuries every time he had a mandatory. You dont like the facts do you? Ruins how you see your man crush, doesn't it?

[Dr Z]

Is it a media fact hrnskipped out on 4 negotiate dates with Rahman and 3 with Stiverne? Why don't you tell us how many mandatories he actually fought? Poor Vits and all his little injuries every time he had a mandatory. You dont like the facts do you? Ruins how you see your man crush, doesn't it?

The bout was originally set for November 12, 2005, at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, as a WBC heavyweight title defense for Klitschko. Promoters Don King (for Rahman) and the Klitschko team had built it up as a high-stakes war, with Rahman However, just five days before the fight—on November 7, 2005—Vitali suffered a severe injury during training: a torn ligament in his right knee (some reports also mentioned back issues requiring surgery). This forced him to withdraw, leading to the fight's cancellation. Vitali retried form boxing for 4 years to focus in politics.


Why do you think he pulled out wiith 5 day to go? Please reply as I intend to have some fun with you.

[JAB5239]

The bout was originally set for November 12, 2005, at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, as a WBC heavyweight title defense for Klitschko. Promoters Don King (for Rahman) and the Klitschko team had built it up as a high-stakes war, with Rahman However, just five days before the fight—on November 7, 2005—Vitali suffered a severe injury during training: a torn ligament in his right knee (some reports also mentioned back issues requiring surgery). This forced him to withdraw, leading to the fight's cancellation. Vitali retried form boxing for 4 years to focus in politics.


Why do you think he pulled out wiith 5 day to go? Please reply as I intend to have some fun with you.

I think he pulled out because he was getting beat up in sparring and knew he wasn't ready. But if all this is true how did he miraculously healed in order to try and make a Maskaev fight a month later? Sorry but you story doesnt add up.

[QueensburyRules]

I think he pulled out because he was getting beat up in sparring and knew he wasn't ready. But if all this is true how did he miraculously healed in order to try and make a Maskaev fight a month later? Sorry but you story doesnt add up.

- - Face it, U don't think, U drink U own Mickeys

[JAB5239]

- - Face it, U don't think, U drink U own Mickeys

That's very rach coming from the forum drunk who consumes more alcohol before 9am than most people do all week.

[Dr Z]

I think he pulled out because he was getting beat up in sparring and knew he wasn't ready. But if all this is true how did he miraculously healed in order to try and make a Maskaev fight a month later? Sorry but you story doesnt add up.

You don't know that about his sparing. Where is your proof? I think you've got a screw knocked loose. He did not sign or get the Maskaev fight, Peter did.

Once again:


The bout was originally set for November 12, 2005, at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, as a WBC heavyweight title defense for Klitschko. Promoters Don King (for Rahman) and the Klitschko team had built it up as a high-stakes war, with Rahman However, just five days before the fight—on November 7, 2005—Vitali suffered a severe injury during training: a torn ligament in his right knee (some reports also mentioned back issues requiring surgery). This forced him to withdraw, leading to the fight's cancellation. Vitali retried form boxing for 4 years to focus in politics.


Why do you think he pulled out wiith 5 day to go? Please reply as I intend to have some fun with you.

[JAB5239]

You don't know that about his sparing. Where is your proof? I think you've got a screw knocked loose. He did not sign or get the Maskaev fight, Peter did.

Once again:


The bout was originally set for November 12, 2005, at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, as a WBC heavyweight title defense for Klitschko. Promoters Don King (for Rahman) and the Klitschko team had built it up as a high-stakes war, with Rahman However, just five days before the fight—on November 7, 2005—Vitali suffered a severe injury during training: a torn ligament in his right knee (some reports also mentioned back issues requiring surgery). This forced him to withdraw, leading to the fight's cancellation. Vitali retried form boxing for 4 years to focus in politics.


Why do you think he pulled out wiith 5 day to go? Please reply as I intend to have some fun with you.

Of course he didn't get the Maskaev fight, HBO rejected. The point is he said he couldn't be ready for Rahman but was trying to make another fight a month and a half later. Why not just push back the Rahman fight and go forward with it? Are you really that dumb? Follow the timeline son. I've posted it before, but here you go again.

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Log In Chronological List of Vitali Klitschko’s ‘Ducks’


Published Tue Sep 18, 2007, 12:00 AM EDT
By DKP
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With Vitali Klitschko pulling out of his fifth consecutive boxing match in a row, listed below please find a chronological list of Vitali’s dubious heavyweight maneuverings from 2004 to present.

Vitali Klitschko has never made a mandatory defense of a world title (WBC or WBO).
Vitali Klitschko defeats Corrie Sanders by technical knockout in round eight on April 24, 2004, at Staples Center in Los Angeles to win the vacant WBC heavyweight title (vacated by Lennox Lewis).

Pursuant to “WBC Rule 1.25 Vacant Title,” Klitschko was able to petition the WBC “to approve one voluntary defense, with the condition that the winner must meet his official challenger next.” The WBC granted the exception paving the way for Klitschko to meet Danny Williams on Dec. 11, 2004. Callum Walsh vs Fernando Vargas Jr. | Could this be the real show-stealer during Canelo vs Crawford?

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Hasim Rahman defeats Kali “Checkmate” Meehan in New York at Madison Square Garden in a WBC heavyweight championship elimination bout on Nov. 13, 2004, to become the WBC mandatory challenger.

Vitali Klitschko makes an optional defense against Danny Williams in Los Angeles on Dec. 11, 2004, winning by technical knockout in round eight.

Tom Loeffler, Klitschko’s promoter at K2 Promotions, states on Dec. 24, 2004, that Vitali’s hands “were badly swollen but not broken” after his fight with Williams and that the timetable for future bouts “depends on Vitali’s hands.”

Klitschko agrees in February 2005 to make a mandatory defense against Rahman on April 30, 2005, at New York’s Madison Square Garden.


The April 30, 2005, meeting is rescheduled to June 18, 2005, after Vitali suffers what is called a “thigh injury” while jogging.

Klitschko re-schedules this mandatory defense to July 23, 2005, claiming his thigh did not respond to treatment.

The July 23, 2005, re-scheduling is postponed yet again after Klitschko claims his thigh injury has spread to his back.

Klitschko undergoes what his handlers refer to as “minor back surgery,” on April 19, 2005.

“WBC Rule 1.27 Inactivity of a Champion” states: “When a world champion is:
inactive for more than six (6) months but less than one (1) year, for certified medical reasons, or for whatever legal impediment or other reason beyond his control is unable to defend his championship within the time periods prescribed by the Rules and Regulations, the WBC may determine an interim champion pursuant to Rule 1.25 hereof.”


Don King Productions successfully petitions the WBC in May 2005 to sanction for its interim heavyweight championship on Aug. 13, 2005, the match between WBC No. 1-ranked mandatory challenger Hasim Rahman and WBC No. 2-ranked, and No. 2 mandatory challenger, Monte “Two Gunz” Barrett pursuant to WBC Rule 1.27.

Don King implores Klitschko to face Rahman on Aug. 13, avoiding the necessity of the interim championship bout. Klitschko claims he cannot be ready to fight by Aug. 13. After Rahman and Barrett sign to fight each other, it is leaked to the media that Klitschko suddenly recovers to the extent that he is fit to fight on HBO Sept. 24.

Klitschko’s hand-picked opponent, Oleg Maskaev, is subsequently rejected by HBO as a suitable opponent according to media reports.

Klitschko subsequently petitions the WBC to allow him a second voluntary defense against Calvin Brock on Sept. 24, 2005. The WBC rejects Klitschko’s bid on July 15, 2005, and orders Vitali to face the winner of Rahman vs. Barrett.

Rahman wins unanimous decision over Barrett at the United Center in Chicago on Aug. 13, 2005, to become the WBC interim heavyweight champion.

The WBC announces on Aug. 17, 2005, that Klitschko will make his thrice-delayed mandatory defense against Rahman on Nov. 12, 2005, at the Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas.

Klitschko is reportedly “knocked down” and “****** up” by sparring partners during the first week in November to the extent he claims a knee injury. Two doctors fit Vitali with two different knee braces, but it was never reported that either physician determined that Klitschko’s apparent knee injury would prevent him from fighting on Nov. 12.

Vitali Klitschko himself makes the decision to pull out of the Rahman fight on Nov. 5, 2005.

“WBC Rule 1.28 Penalty on Inactivity by Champion (or Interim Champion)” states: “A champion (or an interim champion) not defending his title within one (1) year will lose his title.” Therefore, if Klitschko is not able to face Rahman by Dec. 11, 2005, (one year since Klitschko last defended his title against Danny Williams), the WBC must, by its own Rules and Regulations, strip him of his title. Furthermore:

“WBC Rule 1.29 Penalty on Refusal to Fight” states: “If any of both, the WBC Champion [Klitschko] and the interim champion [Rahman], is not willing to participate in a contest to have one sole undisputed champion in the division, he [Klitschko] will lose his portion of the title, with the willing champion [Rahman] becoming automatically, the undisputed WBC Champion of the division.” Therefore, the WBC must declare Rahman its heavyweight champion by Dec. 10, 2005, pursuant to rules 1.28 and 1.29, if it follows its own Rules and Regulations. Any deviation from the aforementioned Rules and Regulations would certainly leave the WBC open to needless and unnecessary lawsuits for obvious violations of its own Rules and Regulations.

“WBC Rule 1.21 Championship Defense Obligations” states: “b) Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC recognized champions are obligated to make at least one yearly mandatory defense against the designated official challenger [Rahman].” It further states: “Mandatory Defenses. A WBC champion is obligated to make at least one yearly mandatory defense against the designated official challenger [Rahman].”

Vitali Klitschko announces his retirement from boxing on Nov. 9, 2005."

[Willie Pep 229]

Of course he didn't get the Maskaev fight, HBO rejected. The point is he said he couldn't be ready for Rahman but was trying to make another fight a month and a half later. Why not just push back the Rahman fight and go forward with it? Are you really that dumb? Follow the timeline son. I've posted it before, but here you go again.

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Log In Chronological List of Vitali Klitschko’s ‘Ducks’


Published Tue Sep 18, 2007, 12:00 AM EDT
By DKP
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With Vitali Klitschko pulling out of his fifth consecutive boxing match in a row, listed below please find a chronological list of Vitali’s dubious heavyweight maneuverings from 2004 to present.

Vitali Klitschko has never made a mandatory defense of a world title (WBC or WBO).
Vitali Klitschko defeats Corrie Sanders by technical knockout in round eight on April 24, 2004, at Staples Center in Los Angeles to win the vacant WBC heavyweight title (vacated by Lennox Lewis).

Pursuant to “WBC Rule 1.25 Vacant Title,” Klitschko was able to petition the WBC “to approve one voluntary defense, with the condition that the winner must meet his official challenger next.” The WBC granted the exception paving the way for Klitschko to meet Danny Williams on Dec. 11, 2004. Callum Walsh vs Fernando Vargas Jr. | Could this be the real show-stealer during Canelo vs Crawford?

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DETAILS
Hasim Rahman defeats Kali “Checkmate” Meehan in New York at Madison Square Garden in a WBC heavyweight championship elimination bout on Nov. 13, 2004, to become the WBC mandatory challenger.

Vitali Klitschko makes an optional defense against Danny Williams in Los Angeles on Dec. 11, 2004, winning by technical knockout in round eight.

Tom Loeffler, Klitschko’s promoter at K2 Promotions, states on Dec. 24, 2004, that Vitali’s hands “were badly swollen but not broken” after his fight with Williams and that the timetable for future bouts “depends on Vitali’s hands.”

Klitschko agrees in February 2005 to make a mandatory defense against Rahman on April 30, 2005, at New York’s Madison Square Garden.


The April 30, 2005, meeting is rescheduled to June 18, 2005, after Vitali suffers what is called a “thigh injury” while jogging.

Klitschko re-schedules this mandatory defense to July 23, 2005, claiming his thigh did not respond to treatment.

The July 23, 2005, re-scheduling is postponed yet again after Klitschko claims his thigh injury has spread to his back.

Klitschko undergoes what his handlers refer to as “minor back surgery,” on April 19, 2005.

“WBC Rule 1.27 Inactivity of a Champion” states: “When a world champion is:
inactive for more than six (6) months but less than one (1) year, for certified medical reasons, or for whatever legal impediment or other reason beyond his control is unable to defend his championship within the time periods prescribed by the Rules and Regulations, the WBC may determine an interim champion pursuant to Rule 1.25 hereof.”


Don King Productions successfully petitions the WBC in May 2005 to sanction for its interim heavyweight championship on Aug. 13, 2005, the match between WBC No. 1-ranked mandatory challenger Hasim Rahman and WBC No. 2-ranked, and No. 2 mandatory challenger, Monte “Two Gunz” Barrett pursuant to WBC Rule 1.27.

Don King implores Klitschko to face Rahman on Aug. 13, avoiding the necessity of the interim championship bout. Klitschko claims he cannot be ready to fight by Aug. 13. After Rahman and Barrett sign to fight each other, it is leaked to the media that Klitschko suddenly recovers to the extent that he is fit to fight on HBO Sept. 24.

Klitschko’s hand-picked opponent, Oleg Maskaev, is subsequently rejected by HBO as a suitable opponent according to media reports.

Klitschko subsequently petitions the WBC to allow him a second voluntary defense against Calvin Brock on Sept. 24, 2005. The WBC rejects Klitschko’s bid on July 15, 2005, and orders Vitali to face the winner of Rahman vs. Barrett.

Rahman wins unanimous decision over Barrett at the United Center in Chicago on Aug. 13, 2005, to become the WBC interim heavyweight champion.

The WBC announces on Aug. 17, 2005, that Klitschko will make his thrice-delayed mandatory defense against Rahman on Nov. 12, 2005, at the Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas.

Klitschko is reportedly “knocked down” and “****** up” by sparring partners during the first week in November to the extent he claims a knee injury. Two doctors fit Vitali with two different knee braces, but it was never reported that either physician determined that Klitschko’s apparent knee injury would prevent him from fighting on Nov. 12.

Vitali Klitschko himself makes the decision to pull out of the Rahman fight on Nov. 5, 2005.

“WBC Rule 1.28 Penalty on Inactivity by Champion (or Interim Champion)” states: “A champion (or an interim champion) not defending his title within one (1) year will lose his title.” Therefore, if Klitschko is not able to face Rahman by Dec. 11, 2005, (one year since Klitschko last defended his title against Danny Williams), the WBC must, by its own Rules and Regulations, strip him of his title. Furthermore:

“WBC Rule 1.29 Penalty on Refusal to Fight” states: “If any of both, the WBC Champion [Klitschko] and the interim champion [Rahman], is not willing to participate in a contest to have one sole undisputed champion in the division, he [Klitschko] will lose his portion of the title, with the willing champion [Rahman] becoming automatically, the undisputed WBC Champion of the division.” Therefore, the WBC must declare Rahman its heavyweight champion by Dec. 10, 2005, pursuant to rules 1.28 and 1.29, if it follows its own Rules and Regulations. Any deviation from the aforementioned Rules and Regulations would certainly leave the WBC open to needless and unnecessary lawsuits for obvious violations of its own Rules and Regulations.

“WBC Rule 1.21 Championship Defense Obligations” states: “b) Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC recognized champions are obligated to make at least one yearly mandatory defense against the designated official challenger [Rahman].” It further states: “Mandatory Defenses. A WBC champion is obligated to make at least one yearly mandatory defense against the designated official challenger [Rahman].”

Vitali Klitschko announces his retirement from boxing on Nov. 9, 2005."

What the hell is a "WBC Interim HW Champion" ?

Wouldn't that read better as 'top contender' ?

Why would the WBC worry about being sued for 'not following their own rules' when they just make shlt up? *

Your argument, which I happen to agree with, has given you an ugly bed fellow, the WBC.

BUT . . . The narrative's timeframe certainly makes it look like Vitali was seeking to cherry pick. When he didn't get what he wanted he walked away.

* There is something oxymoronic about the phrase "WBC Regulations." They're more like a gangster gestalt, that went public.

[JAB5239]

What the hell is a "WBC Interim HW Champion" ?

Wouldn't that read better as 'top contender' ?

Why would the WBC worry about being sued for 'not following their own rules' when they just make shlt up? *

Your argument, which I happen to agree with, has given you an ugly bed fellow, the WBC.

BUT . . . The narrative's timeframe certainly makes it look like Vitali was seeking to cherry pick. When he didn't get what he wanted he walked away.

* There is something oxymoronic about the phrase "WBC Regulations." They're more like a gangster gestalt, that went public.

I don't know what "interim champion" means any more than I do do super champion, regular champion or champion emeritus. There can only be one heavyweight champion in my opinion. You know I am not fan of the ABC orgs. My point had always been though that Vits never sought to fight the best, or rarely did so unless it suited him. Not by the WBO, the WBC or Ring magazine ratings. And while I believe he could have been a dominant champion he never chose to go after greatness and instead took the easy route.