Is this True?: Dempsey vs. Greb Sparring

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Well, Meehan was the "House Fighter" at the San Francisco Shipyards with a Sam Langford scalp as well.

Just before he died in 1963, Kearns stopped by Dempsey's Restaurant where Dempsey was famous for serving down and out pugs a steak dinner gratis with a few bucks in their pockets. Kearns was down and out destitute, or so he said and hit up Dempsey for $500 so he could set up in Floriduh. Dempsey's reward was a later Sports Illustrated article by a Kearns associate claiming Jack wore loaded gloves vs Willard such that Dempsey had to sue before a $umptous out of court settlement.

Not to mention: According to the March 16, 1934, Wenatchee Daily World, p. 17, Kearns was being sued for paternity and child support by Miss Elizabeth Williams. (Mary Helen McKernan may have been the child's name.)

Per newspaper wire reports, such as that found in the Tacoma News-Tribune, on March 23, 1945, Kearns was indicted in New York City for 26 counts of mail fraud. Bail was set at $3,500. His co-defendants were Harry (Packy) Lennon and Gloria Carruthers (also known as Princess Zulieka, an astrologist).

Jack "Doc" Kearns died July 17, 1963.

Hank Kaplan introduced me to a guy he said was Doc Kearns' illegitimate son. I figured Kaplan would know.

Kearns did have a second life with Joey Maxim so he must have had some life left in him.

It was known that Kearns wouldn't get in line with the IBC during the TV era. That may have cost him in the end.

I never heard the 1963 restaurant story before.

Dempsey did "forgive" Kearns at a sport writers dinner toast one night (I think in the 50s), stating "Doc Kearns made me champion."

Sad to hear that Kearns was still floating the loaded glove conspiracy that late in life. I guess he never got over his bitterness.

[Mr Mitts]

Seems to me that these sparring sessions happened on September 1st and September 2nd, 1920.

On Aug. 31st, Greb joined Dempsey's camp but Dempsey declined to spar with him because he had already sparred and apparently knew from previous sparring with Greb in New York that he would be too tough to take on after already having sparred. He said he would spar Greb the next day, and chose him first to spar then.

That's apparently when Greb really embarrassed him. Making Dempsey miss and pay over 3 rounds. On the next day, Greb did well again, but there are reports that in the third round Dempsey hit him with some good body shots that 'lifted him off the campus." He also butted Dempsey either in the 2nd or 3rd round causing a cut to his mouth.

There are some reports that there was some sparring on a third day, but it was extremely light since Dempsey was cut the day before.

And what a treat for the fans when the fights rolled around. Dempsey, Greb, and Langford all on the same card.

That is quite a loaded card. Wiggins fought many greats, though himself but a tough trial horse (I surmise with very little evidence). I would like to know more about Chuck Wiggins; his breed are required for boxing, or at least used to be.

[Bronson66]

That is quite a loaded card. Wiggins fought many greats, though himself but a tough trial horse (I surmise with very little evidence). I would like to know more about Chuck Wiggins; his breed are required for boxing, or at least used to be.

Wiggins had a rep for being a terrific street fighter.

[Willie Pep 229]

If Greb looks good against Dempsey in sparring it means something.

If Smith knocks down Johnson in sparring it means nothing.

These racists are as duplicitous as a Trump supporter.

How come we don't see dozens of news articles calling for a Dempsey-Greb fight in 1921?

Other then Fitzsimmons making noise those other susposedly wowed newspaper guys didn't show much interest.

No one offered more than 100K for the fight and that was after Greb beat Tunney in 1922, forget 1920.

Not as impressive as it is passed off today to be.

I still say it was a set-up to build up Greb for the Dempsey-Miske fight.

[travestyny]

If Greb looks good against Dempsey in sparring it means something.

If Smith knocks down Johnson in sparring it means nothing.

These racists are as duplicitous as a Trump supporter.

How come we don't see dozens of news articles calling for a Dempsey-Greb fight in 1921?

Other then Fitzsimmons making noise those other susposedly wowed newspaper guys didn't show much interest.

No one offered more than 100K for the fight and that was after Greb beat Tunney in 1922, forget 1920.

Not as impressive as it is passed off today to be.

I still say it was a set-up to build up Greb for the Dempsey-Miske fight.

What does this have to do with racists and who said it meant anything?

[them_apples]

- - Kearns was something of a sociopath.

Dempsey was 14 months inactive after Willard whereas Miske had been quite active. Miske was a solid puncher with 75% KOs.

Kearns was in perpetual conflict with Jack over taking more than his fair share of the purse that left him in perpetual debt to Dempsey, ie something like $200,000+ that Kearns never paid back.

Greb is actually the perfect spar to reveal those rusty boxing instincts to be sharpened, but not in Public. Kearns was already trying to knock Jack down a few pegs for better exploitation.

There ain't a legendary boxer alive who didn't suffer a bad sparring session...yeah!!!

Greb pretty much kicked the **** out of everyone, even those losses weren't losses half the time. It seems as though he made up his own style and nobody could prepare for it. especially with no footage to view.

[Mr Mitts]

If Greb looks good against Dempsey in sparring it means something.

If Smith knocks down Johnson in sparring it means nothing.

These racists are as duplicitous as a Trump supporter.

How come we don't see dozens of news articles calling for a Dempsey-Greb fight in 1921?

Other then Fitzsimmons making noise those other susposedly wowed newspaper guys didn't show much interest.

No one offered more than 100K for the fight and that was after Greb beat Tunney in 1922, forget 1920.

Not as impressive as it is passed off today to be.

I still say it was a set-up to build up Greb for the Dempsey-Miske fight.

One of my unsupported beliefs is that Langford took it way easy on Ketchel in hopes of landing a title fight that would supposedly have taken place in California later that year or early the next. I cannot see Ketchel even giving Sam a rough go of it in a real fight for the marbles.

A comical thing is that for years I have given Queensbury many likes. As it turns out though, I have to go right back and erase the like 80% of the time. Why is this? Well, because I read the next post. There, most of the time he is clearly refuted, and clearly shown to be full of the brown stuff again. Nonetheless I have learned a few things from him anyway. The thing about it is you have to be extremely careful with what you learn from Queenie. Because usually you did not actually learn anything at all, but a foul misrepresentation of facts has taken root in your consciousness anyway. My mind is scarred from digging out his lies.