Roy Jones vs David Haye at Heavyweight? For the WBA Title..

[MalevolentBite]

Its 2003 and Roy Jones just beat John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title. Roy steps into a time machine and he faces 2010 David Haye who just defended his WBA belt by knocking out John Ruiz after winning the belt from Nikolai Valuev.

In this hypothetical fight. Who do you think would win if Roy stayed at heavyweight ( This version of Roy never went back down to fight Tarver) and faced a prime David Haye at heavyweight?

Fight would be neutral location since both of these fighters like to fight close to home in their prime.


Location can be Tokyo, Japan lol.



David Haye 6'3

Haye became a unified cruiserweight world champion in 2008, winning three of the four major world titles, as well as the Ring magazine and lineal titles. He was ranked by BoxRec as the world's No.1 cruiserweight from 2005 to 2007, and was also ranked within ten best in 2003 and 2004. In 2008 he moved up to heavyweight, winning the WBA title in 2009 after defeating Nikolai Valuev, who had a size advantage of 9 inches (23 cm) in height and 99 pounds (45 kg) in weight over Haye. Along with Evander Holyfield and Oleksandr Usyk, Haye is one of only three boxers in history to have unified the cruiserweight world titles and become a world heavyweight champion. As of September 2021, BoxRec ranks Haye as the 100th greatest British fighter of all time.


Roy Jones 5'11

Jones is considered by many to be one of the greatest boxers of all time, pound for pound, and left his mark in the sport's history when he won the World Boxing Association (WBA) heavyweight title in 2003, becoming the first former middleweight champion to win a heavyweight title in 106 years. From 1999 to 2002 he held the undisputed championship at light heavyweight.
As of February 2018, Jones holds the record for the most wins in unified light heavyweight title bouts in boxing history, with twelve. The Ring magazine named him the Fighter of the Year in 1994 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame named him the Fighter of the Year in 2003. He is also a three-time winner of the Best Boxer ESPY Award (1996, 2000 and 2003). The Boxing Writers Association of America named him as the Fighter of the Decade for the 1990s.


For the record John Ruiz was 6'2 and 226lbs when he faced Roy. And Roy stated he was open to fight Mike Tyson, the fight never happen of course lol.


Could Roy survive the Hayemaker ?.

[Bronson66]

Its 2003 and Roy Jones just beat John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title. Roy steps into a time machine and he faces 2010 David Haye who just defended his WBA belt by knocking out John Ruiz after winning the belt from Nikolai Valuev.

In this hypothetical fight. Who do you think would win if Roy stayed at heavyweight ( This version of Roy never went back down to fight Tarver) and faced a prime David Haye at heavyweight?

Fight would be neutral location since both of these fighters like to fight close to home in their prime.


Location can be Tokyo, Japan lol.



David Haye 6'3

Haye became a unified cruiserweight world champion in 2008, winning three of the four major world titles, as well as the Ring magazine and lineal titles. He was ranked by BoxRec as the world's No.1 cruiserweight from 2005 to 2007, and was also ranked within ten best in 2003 and 2004. In 2008 he moved up to heavyweight, winning the WBA title in 2009 after defeating Nikolai Valuev, who had a size advantage of 9 inches (23 cm) in height and 99 pounds (45 kg) in weight over Haye. Along with Evander Holyfield and Oleksandr Usyk, Haye is one of only three boxers in history to have unified the cruiserweight world titles and become a world heavyweight champion. As of September 2021, BoxRec ranks Haye as the 100th greatest British fighter of all time.


Roy Jones 5'11

Jones is considered by many to be one of the greatest boxers of all time, pound for pound, and left his mark in the sport's history when he won the World Boxing Association (WBA) heavyweight title in 2003, becoming the first former middleweight champion to win a heavyweight title in 106 years. From 1999 to 2002 he held the undisputed championship at light heavyweight.
As of February 2018, Jones holds the record for the most wins in unified light heavyweight title bouts in boxing history, with twelve. The Ring magazine named him the Fighter of the Year in 1994 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame named him the Fighter of the Year in 2003. He is also a three-time winner of the Best Boxer ESPY Award (1996, 2000 and 2003). The Boxing Writers Association of America named him as the Fighter of the Decade for the 1990s.


For the record John Ruiz was 6'2 and 226lbs when he faced Roy. And Roy stated he was open to fight Mike Tyson, the fight never happen of course lol.


Could Roy survive the Hayemaker ?.

Haye would spark him.

[MalevolentBite]

Haye would spark him.

It would be a great fight to watch from an athletic standpoint. I think it would be a classic. They are both fast and expensive and both relied on their reflexes. Roy couldn't hurt David though.

I think Roy will be up on the cards and then gets KO'd in a crazy finish in round 11 or 12.

[them_apples]

Roy Jones Jr. the same man who unseated John Ruiz meets David Haye.

Supplements. Let it be recorded that Jones retains his chemical aids, and Haye likely partakes as well. Yet the fact remains: Jones began as a middleweight, and his ascent to heavyweight deserves a line in the chronicle of athletic feats.

Skills. By every civilised measure technique, conditioning, ring intellect Jones stands the superior. Hayes sole natural advantages are bulk and the sturdier jaw that attends it. A clean blow from him could topple the enterprise at once. Which I should say is a combination of Jones average chin and Hayes bigger shot.

Key point. Jones flourished at heavyweight - even if he fought only once there. His decline commenced only when he marched back down the scales: swifter foes awaited, and a reduced pharmacopoeia may have drained his vigor. Among the slower giants, he struck without reply a privilege envied by every pugilist since antiquity.

Thus, while Haye retains the power to end matters with a single thunderbolt, the record inclines me to doubt he will find the mark. The best heavyweight Jones slips, counters, and accumulates rounds. Haye yields nearly every strategic advantage; Jones concedes only mass.

Reckon it 60 40 for Roy Jones Jr., in the form that humbled Ruiz so notes the sober historian of the ring.

edit let's also not forget a small occurrence that Jones speed finds Haye "average" at best chin. Jones could potentially hurt Haye too with a perfect shot.

[MalevolentBite]

Roy Jones Jr. the same man who unseated John Ruiz meets David Haye.

Supplements. Let it be recorded that Jones retains his chemical aids, and Haye likely partakes as well. Yet the fact remains: Jones began as a middleweight, and his ascent to heavyweight deserves a line in the chronicle of athletic feats.

Skills. By every civilised measure technique, conditioning, ring intellect Jones stands the superior. Hayes sole natural advantages are bulk and the sturdier jaw that attends it. A clean blow from him could topple the enterprise at once. Which I should say is a combination of Jones average chin and Hayes bigger shot.

Key point. Jones flourished at heavyweight - even if he fought only once there. His decline commenced only when he marched back down the scales: swifter foes awaited, and a reduced pharmacopoeia may have drained his vigor. Among the slower giants, he struck without reply a privilege envied by every pugilist since antiquity.

Thus, while Haye retains the power to end matters with a single thunderbolt, the record inclines me to doubt he will find the mark. The best heavyweight Jones slips, counters, and accumulates rounds. Haye yields nearly every strategic advantage; Jones concedes only mass.

Reckon it 60 40 for Roy Jones Jr., in the form that humbled Ruiz so notes the sober historian of the ring.

edit let's also not forget a small occurrence that Jones speed finds Haye "average" at best chin. Jones could potentially hurt Haye too with a perfect shot.

Woah. OK, thats shocking but I kinda agree.

I still think Roy Jones puts on a master class for the whole fight and will be leading on all score cards. then the Hayemaker finds and lands at Roy to win the fight in the 11th or 12th round.

[MalevolentBite]

To put things in perspective. Antonio Tarver went up and won at Cruiserweight. David Haye best weight was Cruiserweight. So The size difference between Roy and David isnt too crazy. David was a small heavyweight.

[them_apples]

Woah. OK, thats shocking but I kinda agree.

I still think Roy Jones puts on a master class for the whole fight and will be leading on all score cards. then the Hayemaker finds and lands at Roy to win the fight in the 11th or 12th round.

for a prediction like that or this fight in general. it's like rolling a dice. If and When Haye connects. He may or may not

You'll notice my stance on a lot of fights - I don't put size at the top on a list of intangibles for a few reasons:

History doesn't agree with it - in boxing being smaller and quicker is a better thing to have - and power and strength generally are tied to the individual - not his "size". some big guys are strong, some big guys are weak. Boxing is a striking contest - not a lifting contest. a lot of lifts are partially to do with counter weight leverage. meaning, a larger man can lift more weight because he has "counter weight". This doesn't translate to striking because striking requires sublime leverage and technique.

All Haye has in this fight is more weight behind his shot - IF he catches Jones on the end of his shot (timing and balance). Seeing that Jones is better at everything else - the odds of him landing that perfect shot on basically a prime Jones is probably lower than people think. He might graze him - or hit him with some less than stellar shots - but to land right on the end flush on this version of Jones - a far superior fighter than he - isn't high in probability. The risk comes like you said - as the rounds go on. I still say 60/40 though. Jones is great Haye isn't.

[them_apples]

To put things in perspective. Antonio Tarver went up and won at Cruiserweight. David Haye best weight was Cruiserweight. So The size difference between Roy and David isnt too crazy. David was a small heavyweight.

Haye is also a fighter from the modern era - meaning hes "blown up". I'm on the stance they all train wrong because all the good coaches passed or are few and far between. Haye is only 210 lbs because he was lifting weights - taking suppliments and roids. I know this because his muscles are far too big for his frame. his skull is small - his hands are small. This build means:

more fatigue

telegraphing in order to be fast (exploding too much - canelo is terrible for this - hence why he couldn't touch Floyd with a single shot) but he has to because he is muscle bound

Slower on your feet - making your balance poor

Why do modern fighters have this problem? well aside from poor trainers - the answer is strength and conditioning coaches. They understand how to build muscle - but they do not understand the nuances of boxing or what is required. So they have guys doing explosive lifts. They think by measuring the speed of hand at it's terminal velocity that this means the fighter must be faster. Wrong!

The part they are forgetting is a tight blown up muscle bound fighter has no way of hiding the release of his shots. Everything becomes a chore. nothing is effortless like say - ray Robinson. and yes - even Roy Jones. Half the reason Ali was landing shots at will was because you can't actually see his shots coming - they come off with no tell. A muscle bound fighter can NEVER do this.

the lost art of boxing my friend

[MalevolentBite]

for a prediction like that or this fight in general. it's like rolling a dice. If and When Haye connects. He may or may not

You'll notice my stance on a lot of fights - I don't put size at the top on a list of intangibles for a few reasons:

History doesn't agree with it - in boxing being smaller and quicker is a better thing to have - and power and strength generally are tied to the individual - not his "size". some big guys are strong, some big guys are weak. Boxing is a striking contest - not a lifting contest. a lot of lifts are partially to do with counter weight leverage. meaning, a larger man can lift more weight because he has "counter weight". This doesn't translate to striking because striking requires sublime leverage and technique.

All Haye has in this fight is more weight behind his shot - IF he catches Jones on the end of his shot (timing and balance). Seeing that Jones is better at everything else - the odds of him landing that perfect shot on basically a prime Jones is probably lower than people think. He might graze him - or hit him with some less than stellar shots - but to land right on the end flush on this version of Jones - a far superior fighter than he - isn't high in probability. The risk comes like you said - as the rounds go on. I still say 60/40 though. Jones is great Haye isn't.

I agreed. Thats why I thought it would be a good fight to make, a nice give and take. Jones having the talent and abilities and Haye being a pretty good athletic juggernaut in his prime with the size advantage with over Roy to keep him humbled. of course David never faced and beaten elite talent but Roy isnt going to hurt Haye and I guess it depends if Haye is the one cutting off the ring and finding Roy which is most likely the case. I can the fight going to the cards for a controversial decision in Hayes favor or Haye knocking him out cold. I never thought Roy had a chin at all.

[them_apples]

I agreed. Thats why I thought it would be a good fight to make, a nice give and take. Jones having the talent and abilities and Haye being a pretty good athletic juggernaut in his prime with the size advantage with over Roy to keep him humbled. of course David never faced and beaten elite talent but Roy isnt going to hurt Haye and I guess it depends if Haye is the one cutting off the ring and finding Roy which is most likely the case. I can the fight going to the cards for a controversial decision in Hayes favor or Haye knocking him out cold. I never thought Roy had a chin at all.

It's hard to actually say if Jones can't hurt Haye. Haye is heavier than Jones yes. His starting weight was 191. Jones let's say was a middleweight. If I recall though - Haye was hurt or stopped by a former middleweight at one point in his career (if anyone can confirm this). I'm not so sure if Haye has that good of a chin. He's got a smaller frame than the weight he comes in at. He shouldn't be 210 lbs. He should be 190 or less. So really - his speed against bigger heavies meant his chin wasn't really getting tested. There is a reasonable chance if Jones lands right on the button he can shake Haye up or even hurt him.