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    Sam Langford The Shadow King of the Ring

    History may record champions but the ring remembers terror. I cannot post commas and semi colons on this forum so bear with my punctuation
    Langford was terror with gloves

    WHO HE WAS

    Born 1883 in Weymouth Falls Nova Scotia
    Left home at 12 to escape violence from father was known to be capable of taking beatings even then
    Worked rough labour and jobs crossed into Boston with nothing
    Began fighting with no coach no support and no protection
    What followed was something close to inevitable

    STYLE AND STRATEGY

    Langford was short 5 foot 7 and built dense like a boulder 175-180 lbs in his prime
    Thick torso huge legs wide shoulders
    He used that build to generate force from the ground
    Every shot short tight and heavy

    He moved without waste
    His rhythm confused men
    He stood in range but took nothing and was deceptively slick
    Then returned fire at angles they did not expect

    Observers said he hit harder than heavyweights and had other worldly punching power. I actually believe this just based on his rare build. he is HIGHLY leveraged naturally. he is a freak
    Even when he was blind in one eye he was still winning
    Later in his career he was nearly fully blind and still winning just with his instincts

    He could swarm or counter or walk forward and pressure
    Always composed always watching

    TRAINING METHOD

    Langford trained without flash
    Tire work long roadwork sledge drills and shadowboxing
    No coaches no cameras
    He built his body for pure function
    Everything was about balance stability and repetition
    there isn't much info on his training habits but he certainly fought a lot and that is training in itself. a single 20 round bout could burn anywhere from 3-5000+ calories chat gpt guess

    OPPONENTS AND FEAR

    He fought everyone
    Joe Gans Joe Jeanette Fireman Jim Flynn Harry Wills Sam McVea
    He beat bigger men stronger men and more famous men
    But he never fought Jack Johnson again because johnson dodged him like the plague after feeling the young mans power

    They fought once in 1906
    Langford was 19 and undersized
    Johnson won on points
    After that Johnson never gave him another shot

    He became champion but avoided Langford
    Said there was no money in it
    Said it was not worth the risk

    Langford spent years calling him out
    No response

    Many fighters feared Langford not just for his power
    But for how little he gave away as he was very hard to hit and incredibly strong. it was generally a lose lose situation even for a winner

    DECLINE AND END

    Langford fought into blindness
    Kept winning even when he could not see
    Ended broke in a Boston basement
    A writer found him later and boxing remembered him too late

    He got a small pension
    Some articles
    Never a belt

    LEGACY

    He fought over 300 bouts unsanctioned maybe 600 in total - who knows it sounds like he fought more than Greb as he too took on all weight classes
    Spanned decades
    Never a champion by title but often the best in the ring

    Ring Magazine founder Nat Fleischer listed him among the best ever
    Fighters who faced him agreed

    Joe Gans said he was the greatest machine he ever fought
    Harry Wills said his punches felt like getting hit with an axe
    Others just avoided him

    Langford remains one of the clearest examples of greatness denied
    Not by weakness but by timing and system


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    Last edited by them_apples; 07-08-2025, 12:29 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by them_apples View Post
    Sam Langford The Shadow King of the Ring

    History may record champions but the ring remembers terror. I cannot post commas and semi colons on this forum so bear with my punctuation
    Langford was terror with gloves

    WHO HE WAS

    Born 1883 in Weymouth Falls Nova Scotia
    Left home at 12 to escape violence from father was known to be capable of taking beatings even then
    Worked rough labour and jobs crossed into Boston with nothing
    Began fighting with no coach no support and no protection
    What followed was something close to inevitable

    STYLE AND STRATEGY

    Langford was short 5 foot 7 and built dense like a boulder 175-180 lbs in his prime
    Thick torso huge legs wide shoulders
    He used that build to generate force from the ground
    Every shot short tight and heavy

    He moved without waste
    His rhythm confused men
    He stood in range but took nothing and was deceptively slick
    Then returned fire at angles they did not expect

    Observers said he hit harder than heavyweights and had other worldly punching power. I actually believe this just based on his rare build. he is HIGHLY leveraged naturally. he is a freak
    Even when he was blind in one eye he was still winning
    Later in his career he was nearly fully blind and still winning just with his instincts

    He could swarm or counter or walk forward and pressure
    Always composed always watching

    TRAINING METHOD

    Langford trained without flash
    Tire work long roadwork sledge drills and shadowboxing
    No coaches no cameras
    He built his body for pure function
    Everything was about balance stability and repetition
    there isn't much info on his training habits but he certainly fought a lot and that is training in itself. a single 20 round bout could burn anywhere from 3-5000+ calories chat gpt guess

    OPPONENTS AND FEAR

    He fought everyone
    Joe Gans Joe Jeanette Fireman Jim Flynn Harry Wills Sam McVea
    He beat bigger men stronger men and more famous men
    But he never fought Jack Johnson again because johnson dodged him like the plague after feeling the young mans power

    They fought once in 1906
    Langford was 19 and undersized
    Johnson won on points
    After that Johnson never gave him another shot

    He became champion but avoided Langford
    Said there was no money in it
    Said it was not worth the risk

    Langford spent years calling him out
    No response

    Many fighters feared Langford not just for his power
    But for how little he gave away as he was very hard to hit and incredibly strong. it was generally a lose lose situation even for a winner

    DECLINE AND END

    Langford fought into blindness
    Kept winning even when he could not see
    Ended broke in a Boston basement
    A writer found him later and boxing remembered him too late

    He got a small pension
    Some articles
    Never a belt

    LEGACY

    He fought over 300 bouts unsanctioned maybe 600 in total - who knows it sounds like he fought more than Greb as he too took on all weight classes
    Spanned decades
    Never a champion by title but often the best in the ring

    Ring Magazine founder Nat Fleischer listed him among the best ever
    Fighters who faced him agreed

    Joe Gans said he was the greatest machine he ever fought
    Harry Wills said his punches felt like getting hit with an axe
    Others just avoided him

    Langford remains one of the clearest examples of greatness denied
    Not by weakness but by timing and system


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    Johnson signed to defend against both him and McVey in Sydney the fights were cancelled when Johnson jumped bail and Aussie public opinion, lead by the church turned against Johnson.
    The dates fight purses and travelling /training expenses for Johnson have been published here by me before and can be
    verified by reading Adam Pollacks 2nd biography of Johnson," The Reign".

    Langford's exact DOB is unknown but Moyle his biographer thinks it was March 4th 1886,which would make him 20 when he fought Johnson.Neither Langford or Johnson weighed in for their fight,the weights given are "guestimates," suffice to say both men were 20 odd pounds below their optimum weights.
    Three US promoters
    Coffroth
    Rickard
    Curley
    All declared there was no money in promoting all black title fights.Their reasoning was 95% of the boxing audiences were white and if two blacks were fighting,there was little incentive for the Caucasian crowd to root for either man.
    This theory persisted into Joe Louis' reign and Mike Jacobs was very reluctant to put on an all black heavyweight title fight bowing to pressure from Louis once by matching him with the black lhvy champ John Henry Lewis.
    Last edited by Bronson66; 07-08-2025, 07:58 AM.

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    • #3
      The accusations of being ducked by Johnson aside, I think they did have another "unsanctioned" fight. Pretty sure I remember a tale of them meeting up at some venue and things getting chippy before it turned into an all out brawl between the two, fighting for an extended period of time outside of a ring, on a stage perhaps....(?) knocking down walls, tables and shlt........ Just a rumble.

      In the end, Langford had a lot of respect for Johnson. Said he never hit the floor harder in his life than when he fought Johnson and said Johnson was the best that ever boxed in a ring.

      Personally, pound for pound I'm going with Langford. He was an absolute beast.

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      • #4
        If the tar baby could be brought back I would most like to see him compete at LHW. If he did all right there I would like to see him try cruiser. I believe he is way too small for the best heavyweights today.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mr Mitts View Post
          If the tar baby could be brought back I would most like to see him compete at LHW. If he did all right there I would like to see him try cruiser. I believe he is way too small for the best heavyweights today.
          I agree.

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          • #6
            If the guy has a history of knocking massive heavyweights dead, even as big as some today - why does everyone instantly write him off? How is he not gonna break that glass in Joshuas jaw. From the limited footage we have of him he has a very unique style - and his movement describes a man built like a unit. He can sprawl and switch stances effortlessly - he has no weak points in his body.

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            • #7
              - - Sam at his end near full blind was able to keep on by studying the close up footwork of his opponents that predicated his offense, usually of a wide swinging power punch out of nowhere. Sam poorly educated had to overcome so much that his fine intelligence on display was seldom recognized by the average boxing anthropoid fan then.

              OP was doing very well until he tripped over Joshua. May need a wheelchair by now as it currently appears.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                - - Sam at his end near full blind was able to keep on by studying the close up footwork of his opponents that predicated his offense, usually of a wide swinging power punch out of nowhere. Sam poorly educated had to overcome so much that his fine intelligence on display was seldom recognized by the average boxing anthropoid fan then.

                OP was doing very well until he tripped over Joshua. May need a wheelchair by now as it currently appears.
                - - Would also add that the Colored Title then was as good as modern ABC titles now as was the White Heavy Title.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                  - - Sam at his end near full blind was able to keep on by studying the close up footwork of his opponents that predicated his offense, usually of a wide swinging power punch out of nowhere. Sam poorly educated had to overcome so much that his fine intelligence on display was seldom recognized by the average boxing anthropoid fan then.

                  OP was doing very well until he tripped over Joshua. May need a wheelchair by now as it currently appears.
                  He does strike me as very intelligent - not only in his style but even the expression on his face strangely enough.

                  that being said - he knocks the dolt Joshua dead cold

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by them_apples View Post

                    He does strike me as very intelligent - not only in his style but even the expression on his face strangely enough.

                    that being said - he knocks the dolt Joshua dead cold
                    - - There you go again. Need surgery or a noggin transplant?

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