Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[GhostofDempsey]

I never said Langford did not want a rematch with Johnson,when he wanted it is another matter.

You said this.

"Should have lost to Battling Jim but was given a gift draw." And it is a barefaced lie ,driven by hatred.

Now you have you tag team partner back from his ban zeroed in straight onto Johnson threads, like a moth to a flame.
You deserve each other.

Liar, I can post the screenshot. You said Langford wasn’t eager for a rematch and Moyle corrected you. Don’t make me humiliate you again.

It’s true, Johnson was lucky to get the draw. By Pollack’s account he was exhausted and barely standing at the end of the fight. One judge even had Jim winning. Give it up, you’re embarrassing yourself. I’m not driven by hatred, I’m simply disagreeing with you and you are beside yourself.

I see you’re threatened by Z, you haven’t stopped talking about him on this thread, he really got in your head. You’ve been cheerleading your forum wife who thinks she is helping you but isn’t. One day she will turn on you too, just like the irrational psychotic she is. All you have to do is disagree with her and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about. You criticized many a member on another forum for their insults and bigotry, I can show you some of her posts that would make those others seem like a church sermon. Real nasty POS. But you’ll take a pat on the back anywhere you can get it.

[travestyny]

Liar, I can post the screenshot. You said Langford wasn’t eager for a rematch and Moyle corrected you. Don’t make me humiliate you again.

It’s true, Johnson was lucky to get the draw. By Pollack’s account he was exhausted and barely standing at the end of the fight. One judge even had Jim winning. Give it up, you’re embarrassing yourself. I’m not driven by hatred, I’m simply disagreeing with you and you are beside yourself.

I see you’re threatened by Z, you haven’t stopped talking about him on this thread, he really got in your head. You’ve been cheerleading your forum wife who thinks she is helping you but isn’t. One day she will turn on you too, just like the irrational psychotic she is. All you have to do is disagree with her and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about. You criticized many a member on another forum for their insults and bigotry, I can show you some of her posts that would make those others seem like a church sermon. Real nasty POS. But you’ll take a pat on the back anywhere you can get it.

If this dude spent half as much time doing unbiased research as he does talking about his opinion of posters' character, maybe he'd be able to make a compelling argument

[them_apples]

Did Willams floor Ali and badly hurt him? Unless he did, there is no comparison.


Ali fought the best around as champ. Johnson did not. He was TKO'd / Ko'd by super middleweights, outboxed by others and floored by other super middles. In addition he had numerous losses to cruiser weight size men


Only a fool would compare the two, and you are no fool.

Marciano did though - put Ali out with a shot to the solar plexus. By accident too

[Willie Pep 229]

Marciano did though - put Ali out with a shot to the solar plexus. By accident too

Oh! Here we go again. It's bad enough I repeat Tom Mix stories but do we really have to do this one again, so soon?

[GhostofDempsey]

Which source says Johnson struggled with Battling Jim Johnson?

Back to your question…which source says Johnson struggled with Battling Jim Johnson you ask?

Well, YOU for one Mr. McVey, I guess you forgot you too said in your own words he struggled with Battling Jim! And I quote “unlike Jack Johnson who struggled another 7 rounds to get a draw with his younger opponent” Oops! How will you squirm out of this one?

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[Bronson66]

This is what YOU said.
"Should have lost to Battling Jim but was given a gift draw."

Nowhere did I ever agree with that, either on ESB or here.


My quote " Johnson struggled for another 7 rounds" Exactly right! He had a broken ****ing arm!

You've gone to another forum and trawled back through my posts to 2013,twelve ****ing years!
To find a quote from me that does NOT say
What YOU said which is the following.
" should have lost to Battling Jim ,but was given a gift draw!

It beggars belief!

Now tell us where you got the idea Johnson was "lucky",that he" got a gift draw ," from?

No, I'll tell you ,from that bigoted, cretinous,bile filled, tiny one cell in your head that passes for a brain!

Just how desperately ****** and sad are you? LOL

I was in a pub with friends last night listening to a great singer,having a wonderful evening,what were you doing ,trawling through a strangers 13 years old posts on another boxing site you don't even belong to?

Can't you see how abnormal,fixated, and obsessive your behaviour is?

Get yourself a life for God's sake!
This would actually be funny if it wasn't so pathetically sad!

You had a chance to have a decent debate with me and passed on it ,now grow yourself a pair, and try to have a life in which hatred of a man who has been dead for nearly 80 years does not dominate your every waking thought!

[Bronson66]

Link please. Now comes the point where you flat line. Besides what one fight clims is not proof.

Press on.

Revealed: Vitali Klitschko Knocked Down Twice


Witness: Vitali Really WAS Dropped in Sparring - Boxing Forum

Colonel_Reb

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Joined Jan 9, 2005 Messages 13,987 Location The Deep South

• Apr 7, 2007

• #5

I just checked the article out and itwas Vitali, not Wlad, it wasn't a knockout, just a knock down,and it happened in 2005, not last week. Read it for yourself. I am glad I did, because now I'm not confused any more.



NEW YORK -- Heavyweight prospects Travis Walker and Raphael Butler's stock increased this week when news broke about how both fighters knocked down Vitali Klitschko in separate sparring sessions.

"I was there the whole time, and I saw it all," said ****ie Wood, who trains both Walker and Diego Corrales. "[Klitschko] was throwing a jab and he pulled back and was coming forward. Butler hit him with a right hand and Klitschko went down and his knee twisted underneath him. That was the last day of sparring. It was on a Friday, one week before the fight against Hasim Rahman on Nov. 12, 2005."Edited by: Colonel_Reb

[travestyny]

There were plenty of writers and boxing insiders who weren’t all that impressed by Wills. Frank Menke, a highly respected sportswriter of that era didn’t think he was a great fighter. Neither did Ray Arcel. Number of articles describe his fights as dull, since he relied heavily on his size advantage with smaller fighters, often tying them up and fouling them. He was DQ’d several times in his career.

In 1926 Menke had this to say about Wills:

Will made very good money battling “just about the most mediocre collection of fisticuffers thst the mind can conceive”. Menke called Wills foes “has-been set-ups and ring wrecks-and still this man, favored as has been no other warrior in ring history, sobbed about being denied a “fair break.” Menke claimed Wills had dodged every good fighter for 3 or 4 years, and yet for some inexplicable reason, promoters permitted him to take on far inferior men. Since 1921, the only men Wills fought who had even a fair reputation were Bartley Madden, a human punching bag who couldn’t hit and had no defense, and Firpo, who was all washed up as a result of the Dempsey beating and fancy living. Firpo was fat, flabby, and crude, and yet Wills still could not knock him out, nor could he knock out Madden. The tip-off regarding how little the Firpo victory meant was when less than 3 months later Charley Weinert rose from a fistic graveyard and beat Firpo with ease. Bill Tate got a draw and won on a foul against Wills. After that, Wills refused to hear Ken to every defi that Tate slung at him. Gibbons agreed to spot Wills 40 pounds and 5 inches of height but Wills dodged him. Furthermore, he had repeatedly ignored challenged from Gene Tunney, and refused huge offers for a match with George Godfrey, another of Dempsey's sparring partners. Menke said it was Wills who was the most careful avoider the game has known. Yet so long as promoters offered him big money to knock off broken down wrecks, he would be foolish to do otherwise.

This the Menke you are referring to? The claim here is that he was making excuses for why Dempsey did so poorly in his spar vs. Greb.

No wonder Dempsey named a racehorse after him. lol.

The New York Times said Greb was “all over him and kept forcing him around the ring”—at times jumping off the canvas to hit him in the mouth—“and seemed to be able to hit him almost at will.” It was “a real, honest-to-goodness battle.”

Frank G. Menke, one of the foremost sports columnists of the day, said phooey to all that. His coverage opened with a very different tack: “Jack Dempsey doffed the role of slugger today and donned that of boxer and startled the assemblage by his remarkable skill in the new role.” It’s a curious claim. In other words, the reports of the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, and the local newsmen at ringside were the stuff of delusion. Dempsey was merely practicing new shifts, said Menke. He was limiting his offense “to jabs and short wild hooks.”

Menke didn’t hear Big Bill Tate tell a reporter that Dempsey never pulls punches, that “he just lets them go and when they land—WHAM!” And Dempsey is on record confirming that he was taking no prisoners. “I made up my mind to let myself out today to satisfy myself that I am fit,” he said.

Menke’s write-up seems to be an attempt to stifle the applause for Greb’s showing and his claims were repeated in a letter to the press signed by Dempsey on September 3. It looks like an alibi provided by one friend to another. And friends they were. A few years later, Dempsey bought a racehorse. He named it “Frank G. Menke.”

https://boxingnewsonline.net/prohibi...ce=chatgpt.com

[Dr Z]

Boxrec lists loses in his entire career as 11.

3 before his prime

1 arguably a robbery
1 DQ to Jeannette
1 Ko to Willard


5 way after his prime.



Looks pretty damn good to me

That is not his record. Focus on who be beat and when he beat them. And who he drew with.

His best five wins vs. men were vs whom?

[travestyny]

That is not his record. Focus on who be beat and when he beat them. And who he drew with.

His best five wins vs. men were vs whom?

You were mentioning his loses, no? Who are they missing.

I'll give you more than five: Jeannette, McVey, Jeffries, Burns, Langford, Dever Ed Martin, Frank Childs.