Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Bronson66]

Dude is a certified weirdo. Making demand after demand of others but when it comes to his turn to step up all he does is lie and avoid. I’m not even sure what he is trying to prove with his whole Johnson 5 best wins thing. Any pro who has at least 5 wins can garner opinions about which were the 5 best. If he disagrees, why doesn’t he post his own opinion of Johnson’s 5 best wins? On top of being a liar and a ducking coward, he honestly just doesn’t seem very bright.

He has pathologically hated Johnson for over a decade he's obsessed by him,its a sickness.

[Bronson66]

No idiot. YOU find a copy of it. You are the one who posted it with no link, no picture, NOTHING. Post your proof that it even exists. If you expect me to just take your word for it when you are a known liar, that’s not happening. I already pulled your card in the past when you claimed to have full Harry Wills fights and I know you were lying. I challenged you to prove that in the dome and you ducked it, as usual.
The magazine is NOT a primary source. The article was supposedly from the 1960’s. Johnson died before that. So post the proof that the article exists and let us see what the primary source is for the quotation.

Stop ducking it or admit you have NOTHING. Then we move on from there. Why would I be afraid to post something that I’ve literally already posted and is simply a matter of opinion you fool?

You challenged me once. I ACCEPTED AND PROVED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. Now it’s your turn. Put up or admit you have nothing. I’ll be waiting.

He's been doing **** like this for years! I don't think he knows what a primary source is! he has claimed he has a"friend," who has film of Greb fighting,but he is sworn to secrecy about it.

Klompton called him a barefaced liar and asked him to prove it by stating the serial number of the film,he didn't reply.

He claims to have seen Langford v Hague,he hasnt ,it doesn't exist.

There are two unique things that happened in that fight if he had seen the fight he would know what they were,when I asked him he didn't have a clue what I was referring to!

He claimed the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed,it wasn't and said Ted Spoon agreed with him ,I contacted Ted and he stated he had never spoken to him and said you can post that!

I posted three authors Gilbert Odd,Adam Pollack, and Steve Compton,stating the fight wasn't filmed because the cameras failed to work.

A re-enactment was made by S Lubin and Z claimed that counted as the fight being filmed and reneged on our bet.

He is a proven liar many times over,a bigoted hater, and a bet welsher.

Still lying about being banned from ESB, saying he posts there when he likes .

Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. MENDOZA banned

He wouldn't be here is he could post there!

Having a bet with him is a waste of time because when he is proven wrong he will weasel out of honouring it.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=Dr Z;n32505922]

So Tony, Mcvey, Ivich, Tonto62 and Bronson,

How many times are you going to use your factually incorrect reply about me? Again I post where I wish. I will challenge you or any of your numerous alts to a debate on Jack Johsnon best five wins, taking into consideration the weights, ages, and experience level vs. heavyweights. You are chicken &#^t to have this debate here.

If you shrink away again, the challenge will go to your urban city, socialist learning, an apparently WNBA fan buddy in New York City.

By the way we agree on Jeffries defeating Johnson in 1905.

Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. MENDOZA banned

[Bronson66]

You lied about your alts. You do care whether I believe you because you cried very hard ahout it. Still crying.

You talk about other posters bans, yet you never told us why your Ivich account was banned, or your primary McVey account on the oher forum. Don’t throw stones in glass houses.

You call us bigots for pointing out Johnson’s weaknesses and hype. I’ve never said one racist thing, never been banned either. But your forum wife has, multiple times. I am a fan of many great black fighters, I just think Johnson was overrated. Why does that cause you so much anger?

Sitting at my desk having a cup of tea totally chilled,just about to attempt the Sunday Times crossword,no anger in me whatsoever.
I've made an offer to you to cease this situation,it's up to you now .

I was banned as Ivich for what was termed,an "inappropriate post",you would have to ask the mod responsible for further info on that.

I've called you many things on this thread but never a bigot I reserve that for Z.

I shan't be replying to you any more on this thread whatever ,and however you post here.

Ennui has overwhelmed me on this subject .

[GhostofDempsey]

You've been told multiple times how many UserNames I have had in18 years.I couldn't care less if you accept that.

I retired at 56 ,so I have all the time in the world to post here and and elsewhere.


Z was banned and came back briefly as Match Maker,but his "style"lol and spelling mistakes gave him away when I replied to him he disappeared,then his ban was lifted,it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

Johnson is not one of my favourite fighters his cautious, safety first ,minimal action style turns me off.I much prefer the all action straight into attack style of Dempsey,who is the very antithesis of Johnson.

What I dislike is a bigoted hater like Z who has been posting lies about Johnson for over a decade,been banned for it 3 times and is still repeating the same lies over and over again,unfortunately you have allied yourself with him,I had thought you were better than that, but it seems not.

I'm in the happy position of not having to rely on anyone for financial assistance, whether from bequests or any other source, hence my retirement 20 years ago.


Now this ridiculous situation has gone far enough,its no longer about boxing and hasn't been for some time, it's just an interminable exchange of tit for tat insults in a points scoring spiral of Ground Hog nonsense.

So,I'm ,"leaving the field," "pulling stumps","bailing out" however you want to phrase it , and you may claim a pyrrhic victory , outlasting me by attrition if you so wish.

I'd like to suggest that on future threads,we both confine ourselves to civil responses that are relevant to boxing.

I don't know about you, but this incessant bickering has become excruciatingly boring to me,and must be worse for the innocent posters on the sidelines.
So ,I'm proposing a new start on future topics without the indulgent BS.

No need to reply, your subsequent posts,like mine ,will tell the story.
CIAO.

You lied about your alts. You do care whether I believe you because you cried very hard ahout it. Still crying.

You talk about other posters bans, yet you never told us why your Ivich account was banned, or your primary McVey account on the oher forum. Don’t throw stones in glass houses.

You call us bigots for pointing out Johnson’s weaknesses and hype. I’ve never said one racist thing, never been banned either. But your forum wife has, multiple times. I am a fan of many great black fighters, I just think Johnson was overrated. Why does that cause you so much anger?

[Bronson66]

- - JJohnson had an excellent 20 rd toe to toe prep vs Frank Moran prior to Willard. NOBODY gave a raw cowboy like Willard who had little boxing experience and didn't even take up boxing until age 29.

What U know about prime is U never had one save prime ineptness.

Yeah an excellent prep that took place a year earlier! LOL

[QueensburyRules]

Johnson was several years removed from his prime ,at 37 when he fought Willard,but if it makes you happy to so, and draws the necessary attention to you,who am I to deny you what you so obviously crave?

- - JJohnson had an excellent 20 rd toe to toe prep vs Frank Moran prior to Willard. NOBODY gave a raw cowboy like Willard who had little boxing experience and didn't even take up boxing until age 29.

What U know about prime is U never had one save prime ineptness.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=Dr Z;n32505922]

So Tony, Mcvey, Ivich, Tonto62 and Bronson,

How many times are you going to use your factually incorrect reply about me? Again I post where I wish. I will challenge you or any of your numerous alts to a debate on Jack Johsnon best five wins, taking into consideration the weights, ages, and experience level vs. heavyweights. You are chicken &#^t to have this debate here.

If you shrink away again, the challenge will go to your urban city, socialist learning, an apparently WNBA fan buddy in New York City.

By the way we agree on Jeffries defeating Johnson in 1905.

You don't post on ESB ,you are permanently banned . Prime for Prime Johnson beats Jeffries imo.
In1905 190lbs ,when he fought Jeffries in1910 he was at his peak, a muscled 208lbs . That version beats the crap out of any Jeffries!
I keep my interaction with you to a minimum,because if you engage regularly with a moron,it can only reflect badly on yourself.

Now, I'm going to grab a shower and meet a friend for a lunchtime drink , in a nice real ale pub in my home town.
You can stay here and wait for my return,or FO,WTF cares?

[Bronson66]

Ironic you asking me if I have any other interests…you are the one with a half dozen alts on two forums and well over 100k posts. Most of them stubbornly arguing with strangers at all hours.

I’m not holding Johnson’s personal life against him. I just don’t think he deserves all the praise and worship he receives. You’re such a hopeless fanboy you’ll defend him to your last breath. Did he remember you in his will?

You began posting about Dr. Z thinking he was banned and bringing him up constantly, even on this reply. Your forum wife is one of the worse posters on this forum, her post history is full of racism, bigotry, and childish tantrums. She insists on following me about for attention like a lost puppy. If you saw some of her worst postings you might even be embarrassed. Then again you don’t strike me as someone who is capable of shame or humility. Good luck to you both. You deserve one another.

You've been told multiple times how many UserNames I have had in18 years.I couldn't care less if you accept that.

I retired at 56 ,so I have all the time in the world to post here and and elsewhere.


Z was banned and came back briefly as Match Maker,but his "style"lol and spelling mistakes gave him away when I replied to him he disappeared,then his ban was lifted,it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

Johnson is not one of my favourite fighters his cautious, safety first ,minimal action style turns me off.I much prefer the all action straight into attack style of Dempsey,who is the very antithesis of Johnson.

What I dislike is a bigoted hater like Z who has been posting lies about Johnson for over a decade,been banned for it 3 times and is still repeating the same lies over and over again,unfortunately you have allied yourself with him,I had thought you were better than that, but it seems not.

I'm in the happy position of not having to rely on anyone for financial assistance, whether from bequests or any other source, hence my retirement 20 years ago.


Now this ridiculous situation has gone far enough,its no longer about boxing and hasn't been for some time, it's just an interminable exchange of tit for tat insults in a points scoring spiral of Ground Hog nonsense.

So,I'm ,"leaving the field," "pulling stumps","bailing out" however you want to phrase it , and you may claim a pyrrhic victory , outlasting me by attrition if you so wish.

I'd like to suggest that on future threads,we both confine ourselves to civil responses that are relevant to boxing.

I don't know about you, but this incessant bickering has become excruciatingly boring to me,and must be worse for the innocent posters on the sidelines.
So ,I'm proposing a new start on future topics without the indulgent BS.

No need to reply, your subsequent posts,like mine ,will tell the story.
CIAO.

[GhostofDempsey]

God you are a boring piece of work aren't you!
Is this really all you have?
Work and this benighted forum,where a thread can go unanswered for days!

Don't you have any interests outside of an 80 years dead man whom you never met?
There's certainly plenty to criticize Johnson for,him and many other champions.Ray Robinson beat his Wife so badly she suffered 5 miscarriages,does that mean he wasn't a great fighter?
I'm only concerned about their boxing,that's what I judge them on!
I'm not responsible for what anyone else posts here and I neither endorse or condemn a lot of stuff posted by various people.

If you want to insult other posters why don't you do it directly why drag me into your little feuds?
Why insult them when you are replying to me ? WTF has it to do with me?
That's irrational!

You've got your little Remora Fish,to follow you now ,and he will cling to you like a limpet because he has no friends ,and no credibility.Good luck to you both,you're well suited!

Ironic you asking me if I have any other interests…you are the one with a half dozen alts on two forums and well over 100k posts. Most of them stubbornly arguing with strangers at all hours.

I’m not holding Johnson’s personal life against him. I just don’t think he deserves all the praise and worship he receives. You’re such a hopeless fanboy you’ll defend him to your last breath. Did he remember you in his will?

You began posting about Dr. Z thinking he was banned and bringing him up constantly, even on this reply. Your forum wife is one of the worse posters on this forum, her post history is full of racism, bigotry, and childish tantrums. She insists on following me about for attention like a lost puppy. If you saw some of her worst postings you might even be embarrassed. Then again you don’t strike me as someone who is capable of shame or humility. Good luck to you both. You deserve one another.