Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Bronson66]

I bet Ketchel was lighter. they just told everyone he was heavier.

One thing I have come across more often due to chat gpt's analysis of uploaded books...

they pulled a lot of scammy crap back in the day and still do

In the era of newly emerging film it was really easy to do so

I got no proof but look how Fake Dempseys KO of Carpentier is. Carpentier wasn't winning but to me it looks like he could have went the distance. Same goes for Carnera and Sharkey. that knockout was so obviously fake. the mans legs were strong. You don't leap up with that much vigor after being iced, let alone twice in a row.

It's entirely possible but I believe he did weigh in for the Thomas fight for which his weight is given as170lbs.
Ketchel was a muscular 5 '9",is it so hard to accept that , he not having to make the middleweight limit ,would come in heavier?

image.pngIf I told you the man in the photo was 170lbs,would you find it difficult to believe me?

My point was Z makes a huge song and dance about the weight disparity in this fight,but is totally silent when Jeffries smaller opponents are mentioned.

I have Carpentier's autobiography,I believe he was done in that fight.

I also think Sharkey took a dive against Carnera,that's the most theatrical ko I have ever seen.

[them_apples]

Ten months prior to fighting Choynski Johnson weighed 168lbs to fight Jim McCormick . Ketchel weighed 170lbs to fight Joe Thomas on the 18th of August 1908.

I bet Ketchel was lighter. they just told everyone he was heavier.

One thing I have come across more often due to chat gpt's analysis of uploaded books...

they pulled a lot of scammy crap back in the day and still do

In the era of newly emerging film it was really easy to do so

I got no proof but look how Fake Dempseys KO of Carpentier is. Carpentier wasn't winning but to me it looks like he could have went the distance. Same goes for Carnera and Sharkey. that knockout was so obviously fake. the mans legs were strong. You don't leap up with that much vigor after being iced, let alone twice in a row.

[Bronson66]

Whatever weight Johnson was did not prevent himfrom being Ko'd by Choyski in 1901. In 1902 was 185 .


Please show me in source where it lists Ketchel weighed in at 170 that was at the weigh in. It does not exist. There are none, in fact 160 is the highest listed weight in every fight before or after 1909 for Ketchel. So there you have it .


I have heard his true weight for the fight was 155 lbs. It is known that he wore cowboy boots to look taller and a coat to appear heavier next to Johnson.

Yet in the ring he looks thin and short next to Johnson. Exactly the type Johnson likes to hit and hold.

Are you saying Kecthel was one of Jack J's best five wins?

Ten months prior to fighting Choynski Johnson weighed 168lbs to fight Jim McCormick . Ketchel weighed 170lbs to fight Joe Thomas on the 18th of August 1908.

[GhostofDempsey]

That isn't me! lol I've begged you for nothing ! I'm not responding to you further on here . I told you that already!
I won't ask for an apology ,just get your facts right next time, and confine yourself to insulting those who are still talking to you!

You still got my name in your mouth, can't let it go. Even have to resort to alts and trolling. I gave you a chance to have the last word but you couldn't let it rest. Pathetic.

[Bronson66]

You are such a coward. You begged me for a truce on this thread and now you resort to childish alts and trolling. No wonder you were banned on both boxing forums.

That isn't me! lol I've begged you for nothing ! I'm not responding to you further on here . I told you that already!
I won't ask for an apology ,just get your facts right next time, and confine yourself to insulting those who are still talking to you!

[GhostofDempsey]

No he isn't very smart,he constructs illogical,and irrelevant arguments and then,when they are smashed to bits ,promptly moves the gaol posts,he is definitely not dealing with a full deck.

You are such a coward. You begged me for a truce on this thread and now you resort to childish alts and trolling. No wonder you were banned on both boxing forums.

[Bronson66]

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No he isn't very smart,he constructs illogical,and irrelevant arguments and then,when they are smashed to bits ,promptly moves the gaol posts,he is definitely not dealing with a full deck.

[Bronson66]

Does another board count as proof on waht was siad by Johnson? I want to get you on record first. Your move, and tell us again that Jeffries would defeat Johnson in 1905 because you wrote it.


If you want to debate Jack Johnson's top five wins under the terms under the conditions I layed out with me, go for it . After all, it falls under this thread.



You may argue that because he beat Ketchel ( you claim a pre -arraignment fight ) means he would beat X heavyweight. This middle weight who wore cowboy boots to look taller and wore a tech coat to look heavier. That is if you list him Jack's top five wins. He floored Johsnon and reports say Johnson got up as was still dazed after the fight ended. New paper reports.


Your grandson can help you because you need it.

Yes, another board counts when it states.Mendoza.Dr Z,is banned!


Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. MENDOZA banned

I stated in1905 Jeffries edges Johnson,I also stated, which you did not mention ,that prime for prime , Johnson beats the crap out of Jeffries,he would have had a lot more experience and be18lbs of muscle heavier.

No I don't want to debate with you,I confine myself to correcting your daily lies.

You fasten on Johnson beating a 170pounds Ketchel,but you never mention how much weight advantage Jeffries had over
Choynski . 57lbs
Fitz1. 39lbs
Corbett1. 30lbs
Finnegan . 60lbs
Baker . 26lbs
Griffin. 40lbs
Armstrong. 25lbs
Everett . 26lbs
Sharkey1 .20lbs
Corbett2. 27lbs
Fitz 2. 47 lbs
Sharkey2. 27lbs

If you're so hung up on Johnson's weight advantage over Ketchel,
why have you always ignored Jeffries weight advantages over those I've just posted?

Why are you going into unasked for detail about Ketchel, has anyone requested it?

[GhostofJuliusStreicher]

Dude is a certified weirdo. Making demand after demand of others but when it comes to his turn to step up all he does is lie and avoid. I’m not even sure what he is trying to prove with his whole Johnson 5 best wins thing. Any pro who has at least 5 wins can garner opinions about which were the 5 best. If he disagrees, why doesn’t he post his own opinion of Johnson’s 5 best wins? On top of being a liar and a ducking coward, he honestly just doesn’t seem very bright.

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[Bronson66]

DUCK, DUCK, DUCK..... The onus is one YOU if you disagree with something to counter not I.

You're chick $#^t to engage in a debate with me.

Clearly you are unarmed and I say small brained for a debate with me. I would embarrass you.

You lie, and always seek an out which in this case you can not prove even though I listed the source.

Last chance to debate me. Otherwise skip my posts.

Listen, for about the hundredth time,when you claim something the onus is on you to prove it,not others to disprove it!

You couldn't win a debate with my 3 years old Grandson!