Vinny Paz KOs Floyd Mayweather or get ducked!

[Willie Pep 229]

On the basis of what?

The fact that he's vastly inferior in essentially every single area? Sounds like a great bet bud

I thought Roger was a cagey fighter. Subtle but excellent footwork for positioning. Good at punch blocking with his arms.

He was able to beat everyone except the very top; a gate keeper.

And wasn't he the one who taught Floyd Jr. how to box?

[IronDanHamza]

No, I think Floyd is the most overrated protected fraud ever. I distinctly remember Ray Leonard saying Floyd Sr and Jr were basically the same level. Implying the difference was Jr had much better protection and management and came around at the right time, when the establishment had no black fighters to sell. So Jr was rigged to never lose. Roger might have been in the same boat, better than Floyd but not as well protected. Jr was steered away from all high risk fights - Tszyu, Harris, Freitas, Casamayor, Margarito in 2005/2006, Cotto in 2008, Williams, Martinez, GGG at 154, Thurman, prime Pac. It's plausible Jr loses all those fights and has a record like Sr and Roger. Jr was an illusion, created by Arum and Haymon. Jr knew he was overrated too, that's why there are two videos of him calling himself a coward.

Oh that's weird because after all protection he still managed to be Lineal Champion in 4 weight classes and beat 10 fighters who were ranked #1 in the divison being fought in and 7 fighters who were ranked P4P Top 10 at the time being fought so sounds like that was some extremely weak protection considering barely any boxers in the history of this Planet have managed to accomplish those feats.

You aren't serious. You can't be. Seems like overt trolling.

Roger Mayweather, Floyd Sr and Jeff Mayweather's talent, skills, and ability COMBINED aren't even close to the levels of Floyd Jr.

[IronDanHamza]

I thought Roger was a cagey fighter. Subtle but excellent footwork for positioning. Good at punch blocking with his arms.

He was able to beat everyone except the very top; a gate keeper.

And wasn't he the one who taught Floyd Jr. how to box?

No, Floyd Sr taught Floyd how to box. But even if Roger did (he didn't) what relevance would that have?

Yes I'm aware Roger Mayweather was a good, world class fighter in his day.

You aren't actually seriously trying to argue that he is anywhere even remotely close to Floyd Jr's level?

[Willie Pep 229]

No, Floyd Sr taught Floyd how to box. But even if Roger did (he didn't) what relevance would that have?

Yes I'm aware Roger Mayweather was a good, world class fighter in his day.

You aren't actually seriously trying to argue that he is anywhere even remotely close to Floyd Jr's level?

I heard it was actually Roger that was the trainer.

As Queen, likes to put it, crack-daddy was just there for the money. Maybe I'm wrong.

A big yes to "am I serious," ... but I did say I would need odds because it was a risk!

You want to make money ********, in any sport, you got to find the opportunities where the favorite just might lose. Betting on the favorite gets you no where.

I got to thinking, as I was reading the "Paz arguments" . . . .who might know how to pick apart Floyd's defense, Uncle Roger maybe?

But I will need odds to take the risk.

[IronDanHamza]

I heard it was actually Roger that was the trainer.

As Queen, likes to put it, crack-daddy was just there for the money. Maybe I'm wrong.

You are wrong. You're objectively wrong.

It doesn't really matter what you "heard". It's a matter of fact. Floyd Sr trained Floyd Jr for the first 16 years of his life and taught him how to box. That's not an opinion that's an objective fact. He then went to prison in 1993 when Floyd Jr was 16 years old to which Roger Mayweather took over as trainer. Then in 1996 when Floyd Sr was released when Floyd Jr was 19 he began training him again but shortly after Floyd decided to continue his pro career in his early 20's with Roger.

A big yes to "am I serious," ... but I did say I would need odds because it was a risk!

Well the odds would be like what, like 10/1? Maybe more.

They've be extremely wide, that's for sure. Care to hazard a guess as to why?

I got to thinking, as I was reading the "Paz arguments" . . . .who might know how to pick apart Floyd's defense, Uncle Roger maybe?

Doesn't matter what he knows. He's not even remotely close to good enough.

Is where a single area you actually think Roger Mayweather is not vastly inferior to Floyd Jr in? Seriously?

Roger has more punching power and that is where it stops.

The idea of these two fighters being in the same stratosphere is asinine and I'm baffled it's even being discussed in a serious manner.

[Willie Pep 229]

You are wrong. You're objectively wrong.

It doesn't really matter what you "heard". It's a matter of fact. Floyd Sr trained Floyd Jr for the first 16 years of his life and taught him how to box. That's not an opinion that's an objective fact. He then went to prison in 1993 when Floyd Jr was 16 years old to which Roger Mayweather took over as trainer. Then in 1996 when Floyd Sr was released when Floyd Jr was 19 he began training him again but shortly after Floyd decided to continue his pro career in his early 20's with Roger.



Well the odds would be like what, like 10/1? Maybe more.

They've be extremely wide, that's for sure. Care to hazard a guess as to why?





Doesn't matter what he knows. He's not even remotely close to good enough.

Is where a single area you actually think Roger Mayweather is not vastly inferior to Floyd Jr in? Seriously?

Roger has more punching power and that is where it stops.

The idea of these two fighters being in the same stratosphere is asinine and I'm baffled it's even being discussed in a serious manner.

You're as hard as adamant.

10 to 1 odds. Yeah, that's a bet I might try.

Punching power counts big time in prize fighting. Should I give you a list of fights where it made the difference? I know, you know I don't need to show you that list.

Ten-to-one! Those are the fights a gambler looks for. I'd take a 10-1 shot on punching power alone.

I still argue Roger was as cagey as Folyd Jr. ever was.

Watch the way Roger totally buddled Bramble with the slightest adjustment in his footwork. Totally neutralizing Bramble's left hook with just a simple repostioning of his stance, he dominated the fight.

[IronDanHamza]

Punching power counts big time in prize fighting. Should I give you a list of fights where it made the difference? I know, you know I don't need to show you that list.

Yeah, sure, punching power matters, yes.

But Floyd have fought a long list of fighters with punching power. Certainly vastly harder punchers than Roger Mayweather, so I'm not understanding that point, if that's indeed a point you're making.

I still argue Roger was as cagey as Folyd Jr. ever was.

Ok, but, how? You're just saying things.

Make your argument. How was Roger Mayweather more cagey than Floyd Mayweather Jr?

Was his defense better? Obviously not even remotely close.

Was his skill level higher? Obviously no where near.

Was his jab better? No.

Was his IQ higher? Obviously not in the same stratosphere.

Explain how you've come to this conclusion?

What areas of boxing would you say Roger Mayweather is even comparable to that of Mayweather Jr for you to have the opinion he has any kind of chance of beating him in a boxing match?

Watch the way Roger totally buddled Bramble with the slightest adjustment in his footwork. Totally neutralizing Bramble's left hook with just a simple repostioning of his stance, he dominated the fight.

You're referring to his fight with Livingstone Bramble in 1993?

Where would a 1993 version of Livingstone Bramble fall into Mayweather Jr's resume of wins? Top 15? Maybe? I don't know.

I feel like this is some real bizarro world shit we are entering here.

I think the idea of Roger Mayweather even winning a round vs Floyd Jr at 130, 135, 140 or 147 is as close to nil as it gets.

The idea he could beat him in a boxing match is comical and outside the realms of reality.

[Willie Pep 229]

Yeah, sure, punching power matters, yes.

But Floyd have fought a long list of fighters with punching power. Certainly vastly harder punchers than Roger Mayweather, so I'm not understanding that point, if that's indeed a point you're making.



Ok, but, how? You're just saying things.

Make your argument. How was Roger Mayweather more cagey than Floyd Mayweather Jr?

Was his defense better? Obviously not even remotely close.

Was his skill level higher? Obviously no where near.

Was his jab better? No.

Was his IQ higher? Obviously not in the same stratosphere.

Explain how you've come to this conclusion?

What areas of boxing would you say Roger Mayweather is even comparable to that of Mayweather Jr for you to have the opinion he has any kind of chance of beating him in a boxing match?




You're referring to his fight with Livingstone Bramble in 1993?

Where would a 1993 version of Livingstone Bramble fall into Mayweather Jr's resume of wins? Top 15? Maybe? I don't know.

I feel like this is some real bizarro world shit we are entering here.

I think the idea of Roger Mayweather even winning a round vs Floyd Jr at 130, 135, 140 or 147 is as close to nil as it gets.

The idea he could beat him in a boxing match is comical and outside the realms of reality.

OK. That's enough for me for now.

[Bennyleonard99]

Oh that's weird because after all protection he still managed to be Lineal Champion in 4 weight classes and beat 10 fighters who were ranked #1 in the divison being fought in and 7 fighters who were ranked P4P Top 10 at the time being fought so sounds like that was some extremely weak protection considering barely any boxers in the history of this Planet have managed to accomplish those feats.

You aren't serious. You can't be. Seems like overt trolling.

Roger Mayweather, Floyd Sr and Jeff Mayweather's talent, skills, and ability COMBINED aren't even close to the levels of Floyd Jr.

Floyd openly calls himself a coward with video cameras running, he actually brags of being a coward. His whole career was rigged, they had the guaranteed contracts to buy off opponents looking for a payday - $150m for six fights with Showtime. All of those showtime fights looked like soft sparring, and he ran like a coward from Pac knowing the judges were for him. Floyd Jr was no different talentwise than his family, same genes, same brain, just different management with better protection. We saw what Haymon did with no talents Seth Mitchell and Wilder. Haymon could have elevated Sr, Roger, Jeff to have no losses also. Jr ran away from Arum when he realized Arum was using Margarito to destroy him.

[QueensburyRules]

If Marquez, Canelo, Cotto, etc were allowed to fight Floyd like Paz fought Dele, there's no way Floyd could handle that heat.

- - Once Haymon made l'l floydy his boy, he was coddled, cuddled, and sent out to fight guys having to carry l'l floydy's personal ref on their backs the whole fight.