Tunney v Dempsey 2 - Was Dempsey robbed

[travestyny]

Now the manner in which Billy Gibson, Arnold Rothstein, and Max 'Boo Boo' Hoff forced Barry on Dempsey is a complicated and interesting story that lives in the shadows, so I will try to research it out again.

I need a couple of days to assemble the proof. Please don't brush off my effort with 'Oh, that's conjecture' again.

It was a slick move created by "The Brain" Rothstein.

Is this still forthcoming? I'm legit on the edge of my seat waiting to read this fantastic work of fiction. It has lived in the shadows of your imagination for far too long.

[adamjones]

This fight has been discussed for close to a century, but it needs revisiting to gain some clarity on 1win. Personally i dont think Dempsey was robbed. I think tunney would have gotten up anyway.

I agree. While the fight has been debated for decades, the idea that Dempsey was robbed doesn’t hold much weight. Tunney’s resilience was well known, and it’s likely he would have gotten up regardless. The controversy mostly comes from the dramatic nature of the knockdowns and the era’s judging standards, but looking back, the result seems fair.

[travestyny]

Now the manner in which Billy Gibson, Arnold Rothstein, and Max 'Boo Boo' Hoff forced Barry on Dempsey is a complicated and interesting story that lives in the shadows, so I will try to research it out again.

I need a couple of days to assemble the proof. Please don't brush off my effort with 'Oh, that's conjecture' again.

It was a slick move created by "The Brain" Rothstein.

Still waiting.....don't let us down! What's done in the dark must come to light!

[travestyny]

Now the manner in which Billy Gibson, Arnold Rothstein, and Max 'Boo Boo' Hoff forced Barry on Dempsey is a complicated and interesting story that lives in the shadows, so I will try to research it out again.

I need a couple of days to assemble the proof. Please don't brush off my effort with 'Oh, that's conjecture' again.

It was a slick move created by "The Brain" Rothstein.

Damn, Willie. I thought you would have this in just a couple of days. It's been about 3 weeks! Should we file this into the Willie Pep is just lying again to fit an agenda folder, or what?


You're better than this...or are you? I'll keep checking back for this fantastic work of fiction that you've seemingly abandoned. Don't let us down! Your reputation is on the line.

[them_apples]

This fight has been discussed for close to a century, but it needs revisiting to gain some clarity. Personally i dont think Dempsey was robbed. I think tunney would have gotten up anyway.

Tunney just listened to the count. Hes a pro. He woulda got up. Tunney was just better than him at that point, fitter, slicker and more motivated

[Willie Pep 229]

Tunney just listened to the count. Hes a pro. He woulda got up. Tunney was just better than him at that point, fitter, slicker and more motivated

The question never has been 'could Tunney get up'

The question is, "Had Tunney been forced to get up five seconds earlier would he have been able to avoid Dempsey's attack."

Watch Tunney literally leap around the ring putting Drmpsey out of reach for the first seconds back on his feet. He still needed time to clear his head before going back to fighting.

What kind of legs would Tunney have had under him if he was forced up five seconds earlier?

[them_apples]

The question never has been 'could Tunney get up'

The question is, "Had Tunney been forced to get up five seconds earlier would he have been able to avoid Dempsey's attack."

Watch Tunney literally leap around the ring putting Drmpsey out of reach for the first seconds back on his feet. He still needed time to clear his head before going back to fighting.

What kind of legs would Tunney have had under him if he was forced up five seconds earlier?

We won’t ever know. But knowing his history he was never lacking in heart or conditioning. I think he would have made it. Had Dempsey been the prime version with cat like reflexes - it may have turned out differently

[QueensburyRules]

Tunney just listened to the count. Hes a pro. He woulda got up. Tunney was just better than him at that point, fitter, slicker and more motivated

- - Referee failed to pick up the time keeper's count, one of a million shoddy officiating decisions boxing is infinitely known for...

[Bronson66]

The question never has been 'could Tunney get up'

The question is, "Had Tunney been forced to get up five seconds earlier would he have been able to avoid Dempsey's attack."

Watch Tunney literally leap around the ring putting Drmpsey out of reach for the first seconds back on his feet. He still needed time to clear his head before going back to fighting.

What kind of legs would Tunney have had under him if he was forced up five seconds earlier?

Tunney said he could have gotten up,but he also said he didn't know if Jack would have caught him,a reasonable answer. Barry owned a speak easy,and had a few connections,that doesn't mean he was crooked.I think he began counting when Dempsey hit the floor out of reflex and stopped almost as soon as he began.
Dempsey was the author of his own misfortune and, in later years said in a way it was a break for him to be remembered as he later was.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Referee failed to pick up the time keeper's count, one of a million shoddy officiating decisions boxing is infinitely known for...

- - Moreover, Dempsey was already at a corner, but with a new rule, I don't see the corners marked. Tunney was out until the 10 sec mark and had to look around to regain his senses, supposedly timed by stop watches for up to 18-19 secs.

Even so, like when in Boxing's historically most HUGE fight in history with corners blaringly marked, some how the dummies they hired as judges had l'l floydy winning in Manny's corner...only in boxing, folks!