Top 50ish P4P 1960-Present

[MalevolentBite]

I get that, except longevity is listed as a separate criteria on its own. I imagine, and once again this aint my formula here, that "resume" refers to their top "X" wins (probably top 5-10 ish) and then he adds on a little more for longevity.

Its his list. So he can make any list he wants. I get it. I got crazy forums my self lol.

[Willie Pep 229]

Its not bogus. I am stating a fact 70-80% of chavez career was cans not even wbc ranked top fighters during his run 48-0. After 48. He fought 11 legit opponents and drew a few and lost to the rest and only beat Taylor, huegan thats it. Chavez didn't win a belt until 44-0. Up until Taylor, all cans. After Taylor then Greg Haugen. Drew with pernell ( elite) After that lost to a crackhead Frankie ( cherry pick and got robbed in the rematch), lost to dela Hoya, sprinkle in a few more bum wins and then add in the rest of his loses. Thats his career. Larry holms looked unbeatable against ranked opponents then came back at an older age and still pulled off an great upset.

I get it. I understand. I just smell bias. Alot of people have built-in bias due being aw struck, marketing and cultural bias.

You are still arguing about Chavez's place in the P4P tier. I don't care about that.

Chavez's First 48 fights were low level Mexican smokers against Tijuana taxies drivers.

I'm not even saying that Chavez's first fights were tougher or better than Holmes. Holmes may have had the rougher ride.

I really don't know what either faced in their first 48 fights. But I am certain that a Black kid from Easton Pennsylvania had a very different experience than a Mexican kid from Tijuana Mexico.

Comparing their first fights is apples and oranges. And that only applies if can get a handle on what those fights actually represent to begin with.

Please don't tell me about their resumé again. I really don't care who is higher on the list.

I just don't like bad analogies.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Its not bogus. I am stating a fact 70-80% of chavez career was cans not even wbc ranked top fighters during his run 48-0. After 48. He fought 11 legit opponents and drew a few and lost to the rest and only beat Taylor, huegan thats it. Chavez didn't win a belt until 44-0. Up until Taylor, all cans. After Taylor then Greg Haugen. Drew with pernell ( elite) After that lost to a crackhead Frankie ( cherry pick and got robbed in the rematch), lost to dela Hoya, sprinkle in a few more bum wins and then add in the rest of his loses. Thats his career. Larry holms looked unbeatable against ranked opponents then came back at an older age and still pulled off an great upset.

I get it. I understand. I just smell bias. Alot of people have built-in bias due being aw struck, marketing and cultural bias.

Lol

Camacho
Rosario
Lockridge
R.Mayweather x2
Ramirez

Are bums now?

[QueensburyRules]

60-70 of JJC fights were cans. When Larry won the belt he was the number heavyweight fighting the top guys. JJC probably got 11 legit names and some of those wins were sketchy draw, 1 bad call and some loses during his prime past 48-0.

- - Chavez still popular and much mo' in prime. Made mo'$$$ too and has mo' fans, a lot mo', so read it and weep but not for Tubby Lar who did OK in retirement real estate...

[MalevolentBite]

Lol

Camacho
Rosario
Lockridge
R.Mayweather x2
Ramirez

Are bums now?

So you didn't read what I wrote. I clearly said Camacho was faded in a post on this fourm when he fought chavez. I also stated Roger mayweather was faded in the rematch. I clearly wrote this in my post on this forum. I will give you Rosario, lockridge, first Roger fight and Ramirez? Thats it? Ok. So I was right. Thats not a top teir resume. 4 legit names plus Taylor and a draw and the rest are bums and his loses against elite fighters on his decline. Thats not better than Hopkins resume, manny or Floyd.

No need to say lol. Its all facts. Thats the joke about it. This is fan fare. The dude fought 70 bums.

[MalevolentBite]

- - Chavez still popular and much mo' in prime. Made mo'$$$ too and has mo' fans, a lot mo', so read it and weep but not for Tubby Lar who did OK in retirement real estate...

I give you that. Chavez is popular. In a popularity contest him , Manny, sugar ray leonard and Ali will always be high on any boxing list. Definitely for the casuals. I get it.

[MalevolentBite]

You are still arguing about Chavez's place in the P4P tier. I don't care about that.

Chavez's First 48 fights were low level Mexican smokers against Tijuana taxies drivers.

I'm not even saying that Chavez's first fights were tougher or better than Holmes. Holmes may have had the rougher ride.

I really don't know what either faced in their first 48 fights. But I am certain that a Black kid from Easton Pennsylvania had a very different experience than a Mexican kid from Tijuana Mexico.

Comparing their first fights is apples and oranges. And that only applies if can get a handle on what those fights actually represent to begin with.

Please don't tell me about their resumé again. I really don't care who is higher on the list.

I just don't like bad analogies.

why does race or nationality have to do with anything. Is that what's going on ? Let me know. Then this all makes sense.

I swear boxing fans have a sick fet1sh with race and nationality. I never once mentioned color or being Mexican is an issue. I am part Mexican and also part African. I don't get how this had anything to do with raking a person's career in the ring.

I dont get it but I get it. Race is always on the tip of peoples mouth.

[Willie Pep 229]

why does race or nationality have to do with anything. Is that what's going on ? Let me know. Then this all makes sense.

I swear boxing fans have a sick fet1sh with race and nationality. I never once mentioned color or being Mexican is an issue. I am part Mexican and also part African. I don't get how this had anything to do with raking a person's career in the ring.

I dont get it but I get it. Race is always on the tip of peoples mouth.

Your playing a staw man argument. I'm not interested in taking your bait.

If you think Tijuana and Pennsylvania had similar boxing experiences you're dim.

But I don't think you're dim, I think you're disingenuous.

[SCtrojansbaby]

So you didn't read what I wrote. I clearly said Camacho was faded in a post on this fourm when he fought chavez. I also stated Roger mayweather was faded in the rematch. I clearly wrote this in my post on this forum.

Lol just because you stated it doesn't make it true. Roger was literally coming off the 2nd best win of his career when he rematched Chavez.

Camacho was30 years old with a 41-0(or 40-1) record, and 5(or 4) title wins at 140 how on God's green earth is that faded hahahaha.

[MalevolentBite]

Your playing a staw man argument. I'm not interested in taking your bait.

If you think Tijuana and Pennsylvania had similar boxing experiences you're dim.

But I don't think you're dim, I think you're disingenuous.

There's too many grey areas this conversation can go but I will humor you. What's your race and nationality ? If you a white American I will continue. If you are a Mexican or another hispanic I will leave it here. I already know you are not african, or west indian, black American. Just off your tone.

I dont think you are even Hispanic. I just think you are a white American honestly. The way you brought up race / nationality out of no where makes me assume you are a white American maybe 40-50 years of age.