Tyson v Bowe in 1996 who wins?

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Big Dummy was easily as bad as Golota if not worse in his career.

Golota a nut case couldn't help ruining his fine work, but Big Dummy was just a 2bit thug who actually kidnapped his wife and daughter at gunpoint. His criminally thugish mgr Rock Newman dangerously clotheslined Elija Tillery to the ring floor in tough fight.

• Tillery was hurt midway through Round 1 by a right hand. A left hook sent Tillery down at 2:52. He was up at the count of six and received a mandatory eight-count. Although it appeared that the round should have been over after the standing eight-count, the two fighters were allowed to continue for another 10-15 seconds. After the referee called an end to the round, in retaliation to a jab after the bell by Bowe, Tillery kicked Bowe three times. As a melee ensued, Tillery was pulled backwards over the ropes and onto the floor by Bowe's manager Rock Newman. Tillery was disqualified for "a flagrant kick".

Basically Bowe was being bumrushed so they could ambush the smaller Evan Field for his title.

There is truth inp all you say. But it is not the whole truth.

When you view the fight you can see that each time Bowe finds his rhythm, Golota throws a hard low blow. Bowe has to recover and fight his way back into the fight.

Golota was throwing those low blows as a tactic not because 'they just went low.'

In a fair fight Bowe would have taken over the fight and Golota would likely have quit.

Who knows!

No doubt Bowe had the tools to be a champion but his failing mental capacities made it impossible for him to be consistent (at anything in life). Remember the six days in the Marines? That was sad.

P.S. Did you know that that idiot (Bowe) had 90 million in assets at the time if his divorce? He wasn't even broke; he just went crazy. Legitimately crazy.

[QueensburyRules]

There is truth inp all you say. But it is not the whole truth.

When you view the fight you can see that each time Bowe finds his rhythm, Golota throws a hard low blow. Bowe has to recover and fight his way back into the fight.

Golota was throwing those low blows as a tactic not because 'they just went low.'

In a fair fight Bowe would have taken over the fight and Golota would likely have quit.

Who knows!

No doubt Bowe had the tools to be a champion but his failing mental capacities made it impossible for him to be consistent (at anything in life). Remember the six days in the Marines? That was sad.

P.S. Did you know that that idiot (Bowe) had 90 million in assets at the time if his divorce? He wasn't even broke; he just went crazy. Legitimately crazy.

- - Thing is, Golota kept being warned by the ref and was getting pt deductions. I agree totally with V

***Golota was clearly winning the bout in what would have been a major upset. He was getting to Bowe with combinations, quieting most of the crowd, which rooted for the Brooklyn-born Bowe.

Bowe was punch drunk before any craziness and never more than a double digit IQ who likely couldn't read or write any more than his signature.

[BKM-]

There is truth inp all you say. But it is not the whole truth.

When you view the fight you can see that each time Bowe finds his rhythm, Golota throws a hard low blow. Bowe has to recover and fight his way back into the fight.

Golota was throwing those low blows as a tactic not because 'they just went low.'

In a fair fight Bowe would have taken over the fight and Golota would likely have quit.

Who knows!

No doubt Bowe had the tools to be a champion but his failing mental capacities made it impossible for him to be consistent (at anything in life). Remember the six days in the Marines? That was sad.

P.S. Did you know that that idiot (Bowe) had 90 million in assets at the time if his divorce? He wasn't even broke; he just went crazy. Legitimately crazy.

I wouldn't say each time. There were moments where that was the case, but Golota was getting the better of the fight at any range, whether it was a regular flow or tense where they would have wilder exchanges. He outjabbed Bowe, lit him up with combinations and knocked him down several times in both fights. Clearly the much superior fighter. Golota just could not handle the fact that Bowe would not go down and stay down like almost any other opponent would have from that kind of punishment.. He has admitted this several times, he's pretty open about those fights. Btw, does Golota still hold the record for most amount of power punches landed by a HW?

It was never a clean fight. In the second fight when Bowe scored his only knockdown, it was ultimately done by the last couple of rabbit punches. Bowe, a career cheat, top contender ducking street thug, has a long laundry list of fights where he low blows, rabbit punches, pulls necks, elbows etc.

Never feel sorry for that man, ever. I only hope Golota knocked his baby makers loose enough so that we don't have more idiots like Bowe and Tyson running around the streets.

[MalevolentBite]

Does Tony Tucker count as great? He was at the top of his game when Tyson took his belt.

Berbick and Smith were in good condition as well.

All three title holders were 'not past it' when Tyson beat them. Same with Biggs, Ruddock, and Bruno.

Tyson beat many fighters who were prime.

The question really comes to, "Who was great?"

Here, on this forum, I ain't touching that one.

P.S. I agree, M. Spinks is not a serious answer. He had peaked already, was small sized for Tyson, and the period between Holmes II and Tyson was a period of semi-retirement, so he was certainly not peaking. (Yeah, I know the Cooney fight was during that period. -- But like I said, Spinks was 'semi-retired.')

No. Tony Tucker doesn't count IMO lol. He beat buster who wasn't really nothing and lost every time he stepped up to another title shot. If that's a great fighter then let's just crown everyone as great and HOF worthy.

[QueensburyRules]

No. Tony Tucker doesn't count IMO lol. He beat buster who wasn't really nothing and lost every time he stepped up to another title shot. If that's a great fighter then let's just crown everyone as great and HOF worthy.

- - Tucker could compete in any era as top fighter including today. Same with Buster. That they fell down later in their careers was due to Tony's Dad Trainer took his purse in DKing slight of hand cash less than the purse value and disappeared into the sunset with his ill gotten largess.

Buster's was as prediabetic syndrome that almost killed him in his prime that limited his effusive skill set with an early retirement. Later he came back with the diabetes being managed and was doing so well Roy Jones wanted him, but Roy Daddy smarter than Roy nixed that fight.