Tyson v Bowe in 1996 who wins?

[BKM-]

I agree.

I know how popular Tyson is but I believe the story about him ducking Foreman.

Cus always told him no swarmer in history could walk into a prime George and survive.

He was right.

Indeed. And these men are just bad matchups for him in terms of styles. Foreman, Mercer, McCall, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Bowe etc.

BIgger, stronger, cast iron chin, does not give up or get intimidated, and it's a bad idea to swarm them. It's pretty amazing there were so many of these guys in the 90s. It's even more amazing that Tyson didn't fight a single one of them even though he had a chance to face any of them at some point and they would have been huge marketed fights.

How many of these type of guys did Tyson fight and beat in the 80s and 90s really? I can't even think of one? Seriously. He fought some big, strong punchers but they were not durable and were freaked out by Tyson's aura.

Big guys with a big powerful punch but very chinny and intimidated like Bruno, Ruddock, Stewart, Berbick, Golota etc.


There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Tyson and his managed ducked a very specific type of opponent. Many times.

[solidman]

I think you guys are being harsh. I honestly think tyson would have fought most of these guys had he not gone to prison. He would have killed Moorer for sure.

[The D3vil]

Prison had nothing to do with Almost every single one of those matchups though. Tyson ducked most of the great 90s HW division. There's the famous ducking of George foreman, put up millions to avoid fighting 90s Lewis, he dropped out of the 1990 and 1991 fights with Evander because of 'injuries'. Bowe was his "friend". Didn't have time for Morrison, Tua, Mercer, McCall, Moorer etc. but he could fight a lot of other guys people here would call "cans".

I'm not saying he would have lost to all of them but notice a similar pattern for most of those men I mentioned. They had strong chins, stood up to bullies and were powerful themselves. Tyson never liked that.

You're just a hater.

Tyson didn't duck anybody in the '90s.

He lost to Buster Douglas in '90, that's why him & Holyfield didn't happen earlier. And when they were supposed to fight again, He got injured & then arrested & went on trial at the end of '91/'92.

He was in prison until '95, so that's the whole 1st half of the '90s wasted.

He would've probably fought guys like Foreman & Moorer if he doesn't go to prison.

He was supposed to fight Lewis, but lost to Holyfield, who went on to fight Lewis instead.

He then, got suspended & didn't fight for 2 years.

How is that ducking?

[QueensburyRules]

You're just a hater.

Tyson didn't duck anybody in the '90s.

He lost to Buster Douglas in '90, that's why him & Holyfield didn't happen earlier. And when they were supposed to fight again, He got injured & then arrested & went on trial at the end of '91/'92.

He was in prison until '95, so that's the whole 1st half of the '90s wasted.

He would've probably fought guys like Foreman & Moorer if he doesn't go to prison.

He was supposed to fight Lewis, but lost to Holyfield, who went on to fight Lewis instead.

He then, got suspended & didn't fight for 2 years.

How is that ducking?

- - Mike short circuits some folks now just like he did in his prime.

Makes 'em stooooopid...

[BKM-]

You're just a hater.

Tyson didn't duck anybody in the '90s.

He lost to Buster Douglas in '90, that's why him & Holyfield didn't happen earlier. And when they were supposed to fight again, He got injured & then arrested & went on trial at the end of '91/'92.

He was in prison until '95, so that's the whole 1st half of the '90s wasted.

He would've probably fought guys like Foreman & Moorer if he doesn't go to prison.

He was supposed to fight Lewis, but lost to Holyfield, who went on to fight Lewis instead.

He then, got suspended & didn't fight for 2 years.

How is that ducking?

I speak the truth, kid. He ducked the entire 90s except for Evander because he thought Evander was completely washed up. Secondly, he wasn't locked up the entire decade for the ****, he was an active heavyweight boxer in 1990, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999.

During all of those years every single fighter I mentioned was available as an opponent. He fought none of them, opting for names like:
Buster Douglas
Henry Tillman
Alex Stewart
Ruddock
McNeely
Mathis Jr.
Botha
Norris

I won't give him **** for fighting Bruno and Seldon because they were title fights even though one was a scared guy he already beat in the past and Seldon is one of the worst title holders of all time.

That is a pathetic, unbelievably utterly pathetic 90s resume in an era that had monsters like Big George, Bowe, young Lennox, Mercer, Tommy Gunn, David Tua, Ibeabuchi, McCall the killer crackhead and more.

Again, don't start with the prison esxcuse because he could have fought ANY of those men before and after he ****d that girl. But hey, he would rather pummel a guy who would stay down like Mathis, Tilman, Norris etc.

[solidman]

I speak the truth, kid. He ducked the entire 90s except for Evander because he thought Evander was completely washed up. Secondly, he wasn't locked up the entire decade for the ****, he was an active heavyweight boxer in 1990, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999.

During all of those years every single fighter I mentioned was available as an opponent. He fought none of them, opting for names like:
Buster Douglas
Henry Tillman
Alex Stewart
Ruddock
McNeely
Mathis Jr.
Botha
Norris

I won't give him **** for fighting Bruno and Seldon because they were title fights even though one was a scared guy he already beat in the past and Seldon is one of the worst title holders of all time.

That is a pathetic, unbelievably utterly pathetic 90s resume in an era that had monsters like Big George, Bowe, young Lennox, Mercer, Tommy Gunn, David Tua, Ibeabuchi, McCall the killer crackhead and more.

Again, don't start with the prison esxcuse because he could have fought ANY of those men before and after he ****d that girl. But hey, he would rather pummel a guy who would stay down like Mathis, Tilman, Norris etc.

Ruddock was a very dangerous guy who Tyson fought twice?

[BKM-]

Ruddock was a very dangerous guy who Tyson fought twice?

Ruddock was intimidated, chinny and only had a left hand. No jab, no great skills. The exact type of opponent Tyson liked to pick.

Who did Ruddock ever beat besides a couple of shadows from the 80s?

[solidman]

Ruddock was intimidated, chinny and only had a left hand. No jab, no great skills. The exact type of opponent Tyson liked to pick.

Who did Ruddock ever beat besides a couple of shadows from the 80s?

I wouldn't call him chinny. If he was chinny he wouldn't have gone 19 rounds with Tyson would he?

[BKM-]

I wouldn't call him chinny. If he was chinny he wouldn't have gone 19 rounds with Tyson would he?

That's more of a knock on Tyson if anything. If you watch other Ruddock fights he tends to get dropped often and very very violently, sometimes it looks like he got shot with a rifle in the ring.

You gotta admit his chin is the opposite of the dangerous names I mentioned with the exception of Morrison. Tyson really hates fighting durable guys. He starts losing heart, trying to break arms, biting etc. And sometimes he bit off more than he could chew. Literally.

[The D3vil]

I speak the truth, kid. He ducked the entire 90s except for Evander because he thought Evander was completely washed up. Secondly, he wasn't locked up the entire decade for the ****, he was an active heavyweight boxer in 1990, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999.

During all of those years every single fighter I mentioned was available as an opponent. He fought none of them, opting for names like:
Buster Douglas
Henry Tillman
Alex Stewart
Ruddock
McNeely
Mathis Jr.
Botha
Norris

I won't give him **** for fighting Bruno and Seldon because they were title fights even though one was a scared guy he already beat in the past and Seldon is one of the worst title holders of all time.

That is a pathetic, unbelievably utterly pathetic 90s resume in an era that had monsters like Big George, Bowe, young Lennox, Mercer, Tommy Gunn, David Tua, Ibeabuchi, McCall the killer crackhead and more.

Again, don't start with the prison esxcuse because he could have fought ANY of those men before and after he ****d that girl. But hey, he would rather pummel a guy who would stay down like Mathis, Tilman, Norris etc.

You are not speaking the truth.

His fight against Douglas was his first fight of the '90s.

He lost.

Lennox & Bowe weren't even available at that point

He fights Stewart & Tillman to rebuild after the Douglas fight. That's not ducking anybody, that's what any fighter who's trying to rebuild after a loss would & should do.

At that point, he's trying to get back to the title, so he fights Ruddock who was the best fighter available at that time. He was more regarded at that point in 1991 than any of those other guys.

The point was to get to Holyfield, who was undisputed at that point, but that fight didn't go off, first due to injury, then due to Mike going to jail.

That's the 1st half of the decade, GONE

After he gets out of jail, of course he's got to start from scratch, he's been out of the ring for 4 years. So, he rebuilds again.

He beats McNeely & Mathis, again, what's wrong with that after being out of the ring for 4 years?

His 3rd fight was, he beats the WBC champ in Bruno

His 4th fight, he beats the WBA champ in Seldon.

His 5th fight, he loses to Holyfield, with the winner going on to fight Lennox Lewis.

If Mike beats Holyfield & still doesn't fight Lennox, you have a point, but since he didn't, now Holyfield & Lennox get tangled.

He gets suspended in '97, is out of the right until 99 & again has to rebuild.

That's not ducking anybody.

Having to rebuild multiple times after long stretches of inactivity isn't "ducking", especially since both (prison, suspension) weren't voluntary.

Muhammad Ali didn't come back against Frazier in his first fight from exile.

He fought Quarry & Bonavena first.

That wasn't him ducking Frazier. That was PREPARING for Frazier.

Tyson didn't duck Lennox & Holyfield. He took tuneups to prepare for them & just happened to lose, go to jail, & get suspended in the process.