Tyson v Bowe in 1996 who wins?

[solidman]

That's more of a knock on Tyson if anything. If you watch other Ruddock fights he tends to get dropped often and very very violently, sometimes it looks like he got shot with a rifle in the ring.

You gotta admit his chin is the opposite of the dangerous names I mentioned with the exception of Morrison. Tyson really hates fighting durable guys. He starts losing heart, trying to break arms, biting etc. And sometimes he bit off more than he could chew. Literally.

Ruddock was a tough guy in my opinion. He was a warrior. He showed that in the Tyson and Morrison fights.

[Biledriver]

Bowe. Post-prison Tyson was a major step down from his prime. At the same time, Bowe's best punch was the uppercut which even in his prime Tyson was vulnerable to. Mike ends up taking too many of those uppercuts and the ref pulls his plug around rounds 8 or 9.

[BKM-]

You are not speaking the truth.

His fight against Douglas was his first fight of the '90s.

He lost.

Lennox & Bowe weren't even available at that point

He fights Stewart & Tillman to rebuild after the Douglas fight. That's not ducking anybody, that's what any fighter who's trying to rebuild after a loss would & should do.

At that point, he's trying to get back to the title, so he fights Ruddock who was the best fighter available at that time. He was more regarded at that point in 1991 than any of those other guys.

The point was to get to Holyfield, who was undisputed at that point, but that fight didn't go off, first due to injury, then due to Mike going to jail.

That's the 1st half of the decade, GONE

After he gets out of jail, of course he's got to start from scratch, he's been out of the ring for 4 years. So, he rebuilds again.

He beats McNeely & Mathis, again, what's wrong with that after being out of the ring for 4 years?

His 3rd fight was, he beats the WBC champ in Bruno

His 4th fight, he beats the WBA champ in Seldon.

His 5th fight, he loses to Holyfield, with the winner going on to fight Lennox Lewis.

If Mike beats Holyfield & still doesn't fight Lennox, you have a point, but since he didn't, now Holyfield & Lennox get tangled.

He gets suspended in '97, is out of the right until 99 & again has to rebuild.

That's not ducking anybody.

Having to rebuild multiple times after long stretches of inactivity isn't "ducking", especially since both (prison, suspension) weren't voluntary.

Muhammad Ali didn't come back against Frazier in his first fight from exile.

He fought Quarry & Bonavena first.

That wasn't him ducking Frazier. That was PREPARING for Frazier.

Tyson didn't duck Lennox & Holyfield. He took tuneups to prepare for them & just happened to lose, go to jail, & get suspended in the process.

The Douglas fight that he lost was already a typical picking. Douglas was a known journeyman who quit when the going got tough. Exactly the way Tyson liked them. It backfired.

Lennox & Bowe weren't even available at that point

Foreman and Evander were but it is known he ran away from George and he did not fancy Evander since he knew him since the olympics where Evander put him in his place.

As far as your "rebuilding after Douglas" argument, Stewart wasn't the worst pick(though he too was known to cave and chinny the way Tyson liked them) but Tillman was an absolutely laughable matchup that clearly shows Tyson ducked the Foreman fight which would have been a record holding fight if he didn't run. He knew what the old man would do to him.

And this Razor Ruddock. Like I asked the other gentleman, who did Ruddock ever beat? The names on his record were old, washed up men from the 80s. His best win is past prime Michael Dokes, he literally only had 1 punch and some ko's against low level fighters. Ruddock faced 3 top fighters in his career and got demolished against every single one of them. Ruddock is extremely overrated.

Tyson spent a year fighting that man when he could have already gotten the Holyfield fight or again, the Foreman fight. Bowe could have been fought at this point, as well as Mercer. Are you gonna make me laugh by claiming Mike freaking Tyson "needed a dozen fights to rebuild himself for a title fight"? The biggest name in the sport who just had a long title reign. That would be laughable. Tyson could have had the shot back at the title with a snap of a finger.

Tyson especially after the Douglas whooping did not want to face any more durable guys who wouldn't quit in front of him. That is why he was going through the motions in 90 and 91 and started doing insane things like pinning beauty pageants on a hotel bed against their will.

He beats McNeely & Mathis, again, what's wrong with that after being out of the ring for 4 years?

The McNeely matchup was one of the most highly criticized in boxing history for a reason.

Mathis too, a very obvious Tyson cherry picking. A harmless soft opponent who will lay down for him. It was a blessing for him that Seldon and Bruno, two of the worst title holders in the entire sport's history were there for Tyson, and it is very well known that Holyfield was picked after looking so vulnerable in the Moorer and Czyz fights. Tyson paid Lewis millions to avoid him so he could continue facing these perfect matchups.

Btw, after his suspension it was still 99 and he fought Botha and Norris instead of Tua, Ibeabuchi, Lennox and so many names I'm starting to forget to mention all of them because Tyson ducked so many.

Refused Big George because IDK. No young Evander because ouch my ribs or no I need to rebuild a couple of years fighting cans. No prime Lennox, here take 4 million dollars step aside fee so I can slaughter the lamb Seldon. Bowe and Briggs? No they're my friends, I can't fight friends. Tua and Ibeabuchi? No I don't know them. McCall is my friend I thparred him all the time. Mercer doesn't fit my type either.

Only a completely blind Tyson fanboy can't see the obvious: Tyson liked a very specific type of opponent.

Tyson's entire legacy is nothing but a delusion. Facts are completely out of the question. All boxing sites used to be able to see through all the Tyson BS. Society has changed a lot of and it has shifted. The Tyson delusion has picked up steam again.

[solidman]

The Douglas fight that he lost was already a typical picking. Douglas was a known journeyman who quit when the going got tough. Exactly the way Tyson liked them. It backfired.


Foreman and Evander were but it is known he ran away from George and he did not fancy Evander since he knew him since the olympics where Evander put him in his place.

As far as your "rebuilding after Douglas" argument, Stewart wasn't the worst pick(though he too was known to cave and chinny the way Tyson liked them) but Tillman was an absolutely laughable matchup that clearly shows Tyson ducked the Foreman fight which would have been a record holding fight if he didn't run. He knew what the old man would do to him.

And this Razor Ruddock. Like I asked the other gentleman, who did Ruddock ever beat? The names on his record were old, washed up men from the 80s. His best win is past prime Michael Dokes, he literally only had 1 punch and some ko's against low level fighters. Ruddock faced 3 top fighters in his career and got demolished against every single one of them. Ruddock is extremely overrated.

Tyson spent a year fighting that man when he could have already gotten the Holyfield fight or again, the Foreman fight. Bowe could have been fought at this point, as well as Mercer. Are you gonna make me laugh by claiming Mike freaking Tyson "needed a dozen fights to rebuild himself for a title fight"? The biggest name in the sport who just had a long title reign. That would be laughable. Tyson could have had the shot back at the title with a snap of a finger.

Tyson especially after the Douglas whooping did not want to face any more durable guys who wouldn't quit in front of him. That is why he was going through the motions in 90 and 91 and started doing insane things like pinning beauty pageants on a hotel bed against their will.



The McNeely matchup was one of the most highly criticized in boxing history for a reason.

Mathis too, a very obvious Tyson cherry picking. A harmless soft opponent who will lay down for him. It was a blessing for him that Seldon and Bruno, two of the worst title holders in the entire sport's history were there for Tyson, and it is very well known that Holyfield was picked after looking so vulnerable in the Moorer and Czyz fights. Tyson paid Lewis millions to avoid him so he could continue facing these perfect matchups.

Btw, after his suspension it was still 99 and he fought Botha and Norris instead of Tua, Ibeabuchi, Lennox and so many names I'm starting to forget to mention all of them because Tyson ducked so many.

Refused Big George because IDK. No young Evander because ouch my ribs or no I need to rebuild a couple of years fighting cans. No prime Lennox, here take 4 million dollars step aside fee so I can slaughter the lamb Seldon. Bowe and Briggs? No they're my friends, I can't fight friends. Tua and Ibeabuchi? No I don't know them. McCall is my friend I thparred him all the time. Mercer doesn't fit my type either.

Only a completely blind Tyson fanboy can't see the obvious: Tyson liked a very specific type of opponent.

Tyson's entire legacy is nothing but a delusion. Facts are completely out of the question. All boxing sites used to be able to see through all the Tyson BS. Society has changed a lot of and it has shifted. The Tyson delusion has picked up steam again.

i disagree with what you say. Tyson was going to fight Mercer in 2002 but lewis put a stop to it. Tyson would have fought most of the top guys if he hadn't gone to prison. Im certain of it.

[BKM-]

i disagree with what you say. Tyson was going to fight Mercer in 2002 but lewis put a stop to it. Tyson would have fought most of the top guys if he hadn't gone to prison. Im certain of it.

I would say the 2000s are irrelevant, he was so out of his mind and desperate at that point he was willing to take any beating for pay checks.

The only fight that was put a stop to was Tyson vs Lewis in 96 when he paid Lewis 4million dollars(8mill today) to step aside so he could beat the All Time Great Bruce Seldon. As Lewis continued winning, Tyson continued to duck and went on to pick the vulnerable Evander Holyfield instead which he still lost dominantly.

Also, lets not just use Don King as a scapegoat either as he was trying to put together Tyson vs Foreman untill Tyson yelled at him and literally ran away.

It's just amazing to me Tyson isn't known as one of the worst ducks in boxing history. The second strongest HW era ever and he ducked every single one of them at their best. Unbelievable.

[QueensburyRules]

I would say the 2000s are irrelevant, he was so out of his mind and desperate at that point he was willing to take any beating for pay checks.

The only fight that was put a stop to was Tyson vs Lewis in 96 when he paid Lewis 4million dollars(8mill today) to step aside so he could beat the All Time Great Bruce Seldon. As Lewis continued winning, Tyson continued to duck and went on to pick the vulnerable Evander Holyfield instead which he still lost dominantly.

Also, lets not just use Don King as a scapegoat either as he was trying to put together Tyson vs Foreman untill Tyson yelled at him and literally ran away.

It's just amazing to me Tyson isn't known as one of the worst ducks in boxing history. The second strongest HW era ever and he ducked every single one of them at their best. Unbelievable.

- - I've told U, the Foreman fight weren't viable after Tyson lost his mojo when Tiananmen Square massacre Canceled their $22mil split purse fight.

Helps to have been following boxing and understanding timelines...

[The D3vil]

The Douglas fight that he lost was already a typical picking. Douglas was a known journeyman who quit when the going got tough. Exactly the way Tyson liked them. It backfired.


Foreman and Evander were but it is known he ran away from George and he did not fancy Evander since he knew him since the olympics where Evander put him in his place.

As far as your "rebuilding after Douglas" argument, Stewart wasn't the worst pick(though he too was known to cave and chinny the way Tyson liked them) but Tillman was an absolutely laughable matchup that clearly shows Tyson ducked the Foreman fight which would have been a record holding fight if he didn't run. He knew what the old man would do to him.

And this Razor Ruddock. Like I asked the other gentleman, who did Ruddock ever beat? The names on his record were old, washed up men from the 80s. His best win is past prime Michael Dokes, he literally only had 1 punch and some ko's against low level fighters. Ruddock faced 3 top fighters in his career and got demolished against every single one of them. Ruddock is extremely overrated.

Tyson spent a year fighting that man when he could have already gotten the Holyfield fight or again, the Foreman fight. Bowe could have been fought at this point, as well as Mercer. Are you gonna make me laugh by claiming Mike freaking Tyson "needed a dozen fights to rebuild himself for a title fight"? The biggest name in the sport who just had a long title reign. That would be laughable. Tyson could have had the shot back at the title with a snap of a finger.

Tyson especially after the Douglas whooping did not want to face any more durable guys who wouldn't quit in front of him. That is why he was going through the motions in 90 and 91 and started doing insane things like pinning beauty pageants on a hotel bed against their will.



The McNeely matchup was one of the most highly criticized in boxing history for a reason.

Mathis too, a very obvious Tyson cherry picking. A harmless soft opponent who will lay down for him. It was a blessing for him that Seldon and Bruno, two of the worst title holders in the entire sport's history were there for Tyson, and it is very well known that Holyfield was picked after looking so vulnerable in the Moorer and Czyz fights. Tyson paid Lewis millions to avoid him so he could continue facing these perfect matchups.

Btw, after his suspension it was still 99 and he fought Botha and Norris instead of Tua, Ibeabuchi, Lennox and so many names I'm starting to forget to mention all of them because Tyson ducked so many.

Refused Big George because IDK. No young Evander because ouch my ribs or no I need to rebuild a couple of years fighting cans. No prime Lennox, here take 4 million dollars step aside fee so I can slaughter the lamb Seldon. Bowe and Briggs? No they're my friends, I can't fight friends. Tua and Ibeabuchi? No I don't know them. McCall is my friend I thparred him all the time. Mercer doesn't fit my type either.

Only a completely blind Tyson fanboy can't see the obvious: Tyson liked a very specific type of opponent.

Tyson's entire legacy is nothing but a delusion. Facts are completely out of the question. All boxing sites used to be able to see through all the Tyson BS. Society has changed a lot of and it has shifted. The Tyson delusion has picked up steam again.

He never "refused" any fights against George Foreman.

George Foreman himself said he didn't want no parts of prime Mike Tyson

So, you're lying off the rip

Razor Ruddock was the #2 ranked HW by the WBA, WBC, & IBF when they fought.

You're talking about him like he was some bum.

He was ranked near the top by EVERY ranking

And no, he couldn't have fought Bowe because Bowe & Tyson BOTH decided they weren't going to fight each other because they were friends from Brooklyn, same thing lots of other fighters who train together or are friends do

All those other fighters you named would've been on the docket if he doesn't go to prison or get suspended or if he doesn't lose to Douglas or Holyfield.