The great HW men who wouldn't quit.

[Bronson66]

I think we all need to realize Z is a wind up merchant, not a boxing fan. This is a guy who claimed he saw Tyson vs Botha and Tyson was up on all the cards when he finally landed the knockout. He posted the score of the fight which he misread, and never even bothered reading the synopsis of the fight let alone have watched it. How can we expect him to know anything or do ANY real research on a fight that happened more the 125 years ago? I honestly feel bad for him at this point.

He is a man who said Lennox Lewis wouldn't fight southpaws,after Ossie Ocasio. Ocasio was an orthodox fighter.lol
He also said the Johnson v Jeffries fight was level after 10 rounds.

There is something not right in his thought processes!

We have Queenie for comic relief,and we have Z for vitriolic agenda.Balanced ?

[Dr Z]

Lmao....I read that article years ago. First question. Do you ever stop making things up? Second question. Can you highlight and copy the part where he talks about Johnson quitting against Haynes? And lastly, that video is about Johnsons fighting style and how he may have fared against other all time greats. Maybe you didn't notice, but Cox still rates Johnson in the top 10 all time. Pollack revealed his primary sources, something your two authors have not. Know when you're beaten Mendoza.

That was an oversight. Lewis fought a grand total of one southpaw on his way up and looked bad. That was it.

[Bronson66]

That was an oversight. Lewis fought a grand total of one southpaw on his way up and looked bad. That was it.

The referee's score card for the Lewis v Ocasio fight.80-77.

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot.
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[Dr Z]

@ Bronson and Jab5239

These primary sources!

Johnson had a punch like an ox, and is about 6’2 or 6’3”.

>>> Many errors in is this primary source. Johnson had a might punch was was 6'2 or 6'3"

The Chicago Times-Herald said “John Johnson, the discovery of George Siler, proved to be a husky fighter of enormous height but of insufficient skill to win from ‘Klon***e,’ the latter getting the decision in the fifth round after lieutenant O’Connor had called it off on account of the clinching tactics of the loser.”

>>> Um he lied down and quit! Read Unforgivable Blackess.

The Chicago Tribune said the local Chicago boxer, Klon***e, defeated Jack Johnson of Springfield, Illinois in the heavyweight class, but it did not say what the specific result was or even how many rounds the bout lasted. “Johnson, a long rangy colored man from Springfield, looking something like Fitzsimmons in black, showed up well at the start, but weakened under the steady but ponderous attack of Klon***e.”

>>> A junk report. No description of the fight!


Some Pimrary sources! Using them if I did not know any better, I say Klon***e beat a guy with a punch if a Ox who was about 6'2" / 6'3".

[Bronson66]

@ Bronson and Jab5239

These primary sources!




>>> Many errors in is this primary source. Johnson had a might puuch was was 6'2 or 6'3"



>>> Um he lied down and quit! Read Unforgivable Blackess.





>>> A junk report. No description of the fight!


Some Pimrary sources! Using them if I did not know any better, I say Klon***e beat a guy with a punch if a Ox who was about 6'2" / 6'3".

puuch, lied down,blackess,pimary,if a?

The more rabid you get, the worse your spelling gets!

For the last time.
Ward quotes one source, the Chicago Tribune,nowhere in that source does it say Johnson quit!
What you have just posted contradicts your opinion,can't you see that?

"The Chicago Times-Herald said “John Johnson, the discovery of George Siler, proved to be a husky fighter of enormous height but of insufficient skill to win from ‘Klon***e,’ the latter getting the decision in the fifth round after lieutenant O’Connor had called it off on account of the clinching tactics of the loser.”


Seriously, nobody agreed with you when you made the thread on ESB that Johnson quit to Klon***e.and nobody agrees with you now.
At least on ESB you were ruining your own thread,but this isn't your thread.
So do the decent thing and shut your ignorant mouth.
We are all heartily sick of this weekly hate fest of yours about Jack Johnson, a man who has been dead for 80 years!

[JAB5239]

That was an oversight. Lewis fought a grand total of one southpaw on his way up and looked bad. That was it.

What does that have to do with my reply. You are a liar. In no part of that article does Cox say Johnson quit as you claimed. Just another BS lie in a long list of BS lies. So I'll ask again....can you highlight and or copy and paste wear Cox says Johnson quit? If you cannot can you admit you're a liar or do not thoroughly read what's being written? Me thinks you'll make another excuse.

[Dr Z]

What does that have to do with my reply. You are a liar. In no part of that article does Cox say Johnson quit as you claimed. Just another BS lie in a long list of BS lies. So I'll ask again....can you highlight and or copy and paste wear Cox says Johnson quit? If you cannot can you admit you're a liar or do not thoroughly read what's being written? Me thinks you'll make another excuse.

I am not saying in his article he says Johnson QUIT in this article that fight, I am saying he wrote that before in other articles. No BS. You are a selective reader.

[JAB5239]

I am not saying in his article he says Johnson QUIT in this article that fight, I am saying he wrote that before in other articles. No BS. You are a selective reader.

Than why post the article? This is what you said and than posted the link.

"The guys you mention besides the fanboy are not familiar with the fight. Cox is ( a high level IBRO gut ) and he writes Johnson QUIT! So that's 4."

Two questions. First, how do you know the other guys I mentioned are not familiar with the fight? Did you make that up or can you back it up with factual proof? Second, why not post What Cox says about Johnson quitting if he actually said that, than a link that has nothing to do with it? From where I'm standing you are a beaten man (again) and are trying to save face by posting things you hope no one will follow up on. We've seen this before from you.

[Willie Pep 229]

Seems to me, he deliberately fouled out. Did Wills quit against Sharkey? Did Tyson quit against Holyfield?

Don't see the argument. The referee stopped it because of excessive clinching. Is that a quit? It is a foul.

Here's another 'quit' to add to the mental mix. Should Camacho have been DQed against Trinidad? Was Camacho a quit?

In boxing 'quit' is obtuse. Is parameters are fluid.

[JAB5239]

Seems to me, he deliberately fouled out. Did Wills quit against Sharkey? Did Tyson quit against Holyfield?

Don't see the argument. The referee stopped it because of excessive clinching. Is that a quit? It is a foul.

Here's another 'quit' to add to the mental mix. Should Camacho have been DQed against Trinidad? Was Camacho a quit?

In boxing 'quit' is obtuse. Is parameters are fluid.

I don't think he deliberately fouled out. I think he was half starved and holding on for dear life. This was also only Johnsons fourth fight. I think that's hardly indicative of the fighter he would become.