What Is Your Opinion About Jake Lamotta? Was He An ATG?

[MarbleFallsMauler]

People had pride and neighborhoods were protected by residents... But there was still a lot of violence and rough upbringing. I grew up in East Harlem, a generation from you or so (born 64), my dad was Bronx born and raised... Je wish. a lot of middle class Je ws in his generation moved into the Grand Concourse area.

I mean people took care of stuff but I always like this analogy to put things in perspective: When I was a kid, Spanish Harlem was rough and we did things like jump on the back of buses hanging on, or, riding in between the subway cars... Tunney used to go out with friends, hitch a ride on a steamer riding out of the Hudson, and when it got out a bit, dive off the boat and swim back! Sheesh!!

Back in the day the Grand Concourse was like moving to Paris; THE place to live. Lots of ***s in the Bronx then; I lived across the street from a synagogue. I went to Lehman College 69-71 and most of the kids I hung out with were ***ish. Of course if you lived in Riverdale your were royalty.


Yeah I used to ride between subway cars; it's called surfing now. Every couple months now a kids gets his head sheared off.

[billeau2]

Back in the day the Grand Concourse was like moving to Paris; THE place to live. Lots of ***s in the Bronx then; I lived across the street from a synagogue. I went to Lehman College 69-71 and most of the kids I hung out with were ***ish. Of course if you lived in Riverdale your were royalty.


Yeah I used to ride between subway cars; it's called surfing now. Every couple months now a kids gets his head sheared off.

Lol, you are making me homesick! I have lived all over the country, but honestly the only time I ever feel "home" is in New York...

[QueensburyRules]

Where he grew up in the Bronx had no relation to the picture you paint of that borough. Lower working class, sure, but clean, full of families and church going people. The Bronx didn't go down the tube's until Robert Moses and the Cross Bronx Expressway divided it and destroyed entire neighborhoods.

And yes, i was born and raised in the Bronx in the 50's.

- - 50s is a far cry to turn of the 20th Century followed by WW1/Great Depression.

[MarbleFallsMauler]

- - 50s is a far cry to turn of the 20th Century followed by WW1/Great Depression.

I just mentioned the date because the Bronx was the same as it was in the 40's when LaMotta was raging.

[Marchegiano]

ATG is too low a curve to ask.



Def top 100

Should be top 50 I'd assume

Personally top 20

I could do 10 without Jake but def wouldn't argue with anyone who has him in 10

5's a bit much.

GOAT's crazy talk.

[solidman]

He has to be an all time great. He beat Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime. That's enough for me.

[Mr Mitts]

Lamotta has a chance against anyone. Anyone who fights Lamotta's fight is going to lose. He might very well beat the likes of Canelo and GGG. I believe he would beat Ho'kins as well, who carried only a mediocre punch. He kills the likes of Pender or Archer, who were average MW champs.

[solidman]

LaMotta has to be a top 5 best middleweight ever.

[Willie Pep 229]

Top eight seeds. MW Championship Tournament. (1920s - 1980s ; No pioneers.)

1 Monzon
8 Flowers

5 Hagler
4 LaMotta

3 Greb
6 H. Williams

7 Benvenuti
2 SRR

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Top eight seeds. MW Championship Tournament (Pioneers)

1 Langford
8 Papke

5 McCoy
4 Ketchel

3 M. Gibbons
6 Ryan

7 Dempsey
2 Fitzsimmons

If you pull out Langford then add Klaus at #8 and move everyone else up one seed.

I think the dark horse in this line-up is M. Gibbons the only non-champion on the list).

[JeBron Lamez]

He has to be an all time great. He beat Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime. That's enough for me.

Offering no opinion on LaMotta, just examining the logic:

Is Buster Douglas an all time great because he beat a prime Mike Tyson?

Also I've seen it stated here several times that my GOAT SRR was not the best version of himself at MW, is this a consideration when thinking about LaMotta?